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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2004, 11:08:13 AM »
The Marshall Mathers LP and the Eminem Show are the only classic album since the turn of the century.

All the other classics like the one mentioned in the origional post represent a epoch in hip-hop that has came and went.

 



The Chronic and Doggystyle represent an era that came and went with G-Funk, Run DMC represents an era that came and went, same with Rakim, and all them eras never lasted longer than 3 years. So what's your point. When you live through things you know are classic, like in my youth The Chronic, Doggystyle, Ready to Die, Illmatic, you can't denie these. I remember being young and people hating on them too. I remember people saying the Chronic can't be classic because it had too many skits and side B was falling off because of that and the only great song was Bitches Ain't Shit. I remember people dissing Ready to Die because it was wacked. I have never, ever seen an undisputed classic, but those that are widely seen as classic were seen as classic at the moment. All the ones I mentioned, they were classics and most people thought of them so the moment you heard it.

Blueprint, classic. I hated on the CD and I can't denie it. Production was the best since Chronic 2001, and the best eastcoast producted CD ever. Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever. And Jay-Z's lyrics proved he was one of the greatest ever. I don't think it can be denied.

Stillmatic, classic. The impact alone set the tone for the rest of the 3 years, as since then real hip-hop and conscience rap have been more acceptable in mainstream America. And what you mean between 2nd Childhood and What Goes Around it falls off. Destroy & Rebuild, classic battle track to the other QB rappers who used to be his friends, The Flyest was a cool song, Braveheart Party was taken off the CD, Rule was one of the best conscience songs out there, and was single ready if Nas would have chose to, and My Country is a perfect song to be before What Goes Around.

The College Dropout, classic. Kanye West producted a great CD, and made his sound mainstream. I can't think of a weak track because the production saves it all. I can listen to it from beginning to end without skipping a track, and the replay value is there. Also, The College Dropout made backpackers in hip-hop acceptable again, as The College Dropout shirt is warn by backpackers everywhere. To me, Kanye is setting himself up to be the next great producer after the one and only Dr. Dre and College Dropout is to him what Chronic was to Dre.
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2004, 11:50:24 AM »
Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi is pretty good imo (2003)

Mr Lif - I Phantom (2002)

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2004, 11:52:05 AM »
There's been no classic albums in any genre since 2000.

That's when you know you've become old - you tend to think that the new music today is nowhere near old music quality wise. Imagine what somebody who grew up on 50 Cent, Lil Jon and Kanye West will think when those artists are considered "old" music.

Lol, for real. I always feel like an old man, no matter what music genre I'm talking about.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2004, 11:58:29 AM »
first off, stillmatic didnt make concious rap acceptable in the mainstream. concious rap was going strong until gangsta rap came along. theres no such thing as "real hiphop"...im not even going to speak on that elitist nonsense...what is this "impact" you keep speaking of? without ether that album would've came and went. the only thing people still talk about is the battle. how the hell is the intro going to have the best beat, and then you got about 4 other tracks with medicore production and the album still gets called a classic? nah...not at all

at least with blueprint i can see why people consider that a classic. every track was hot. there was not one bad beat on the entire album. it set a production trend. the album had good concepts...hell fab even used one of them...yeah, its probably jays weakest effort lyrically, but that hasnt stopped albums like livin proof or the chronic from being classic.
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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2004, 12:06:15 PM »
Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever.

That's a bold statement, ever heard of Illmatic or Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)?

And what you mean between 2nd Childhood and What Goes Around it falls off. Destroy & Rebuild, classic battle track to the other QB rappers who used to be his friends, The Flyest was a cool song, Braveheart Party was taken off the CD, Rule was one of the best conscience songs out there, and was single ready if Nas would have chose to, and My Country is a perfect song to be before What Goes Around.

Add "Every Ghetto", an excellent way to end the album.

I can listen to it from beginning to end without skipping a track, and the replay value is there.

I didn't think I'd ever hear that.  That's the problem with the album, there are too many skippers, mostly skits but it still fucks up the album a little.
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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2004, 12:10:09 PM »
but that hasnt stopped albums like livin proof or the chronic from being classic.

It sure as hell stopped Livin' Proof from being classic, the MCing on that album is awful.
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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2004, 12:43:21 PM »
Yeah I said, best producted eastcoast CD ever.

That's a bold statement, ever heard of Illmatic or Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)?


I said it, and I stand by it. I had those CDs in mind, but to be honest, going back to how I was thinking in 1993-4 and 2001, I liked Blueprint's production more than Illmatic or 36 Chambers. So yeah, it's a bold statement, it had to be said, and I said it.
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2004, 01:04:23 PM »
Marshall Mathers LP - Eminem
Blueprint - Jay Z
Stillmatic - Nas
Restless - Xzibit
Palace of the Pretender - The Last Emperor
Madvilliany - Madlib & MF Doom
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2004, 02:57:41 PM »
Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi is pretty good imo (2003)
no way, only the production in that album is good, at least canibus had a mix of both stoupes sick production and good lyrics
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2004, 04:08:23 PM »
"metaphoric metaphoars from mars" ??    lol..

whatever, I still liked visions of ghandi.
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2004, 06:10:30 PM »
Only one that comes to mind since 2000 is Stillmatic. 
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2004, 06:36:13 PM »
this is kinda since 2000, it came out in Oct 1999... so like 2-3 months before 2000. but the only classic album in my opinion is Black on Both Sides by Mos Def. Every track is stand out solid from beginning to end. This cd represented a newcoming of hip hop classics since like the days of tribe called quest, gangstarr, and that era...(i remember even on a mos def gold plaque i had, it said "the new hip hop classics" on it)...  i dont think you can doubt the artistic and createive value of every single track on there. he's able to flip the craziest verses on the most absurd topics too, that no other rapper would ever rap about... who the hell would ever rap about Water??? mos did it, and KILLED it. dude his flow on this cd is amazing, hes able to ride the beats so well.. tracks like mathetmatics with primo... ms fat booty, habitat, umi says,speed law, do it now, know that... the whole album sounds hella cohesive too like every single track belongs on there.. i believe that Black on both sides will definitely be looked back on as a classic in a feew years, maybe slept on, but illmatic was slept on as well... i put this cd in the ranks of low ened theory and gangstarr and shit.. easily one of my top 10 favorite cds. and it was great too when he came out, he was like at the forefront of a new hip hop movement.. and when you listen to this cd you can actually tell that mos def was like puttin in all his artistic efforts and creativity into it.. 

i define classic by being an album that you can listen to in ten years, fifteen years, twenty, for the rest of your life... and it'll sound just as fresh as it did now..

in my opinion, i dont know how stillmatic can be a classic. that cd is somewhat weak in my opinion. i can MAYBE listen to it twice and shut it off. i mean its  good effort and all, and probably a little bit better than what else was coming out at the moment, but still doesnt give it an excuse to call it classic. there isnt even a single standout trackf ro me on this album.. i mean there were some pretty good songs like ether and shit, rewind, got urself a gun and shit, but man, in my opinion there isnt any replay value at all to it. even though i dont even listen to the album now, i definitely wouldnt' even bother listening to it five years from now either.

kanye west, it was a good album, but it will never be a classic. i dont see how it can be a classic with songs like Workout Plan and what not ( i like the track, but even im willing to admit that in no way will i be listening to it in a few years)... it was a lot better than everything else coming out, but still not a classic. it was good beats and all, but aint nothing too impressive with the rhymes.

i think we were all just let down with such a a decrease in quality of music, that we just started picking any cd that was somewhat good. i've been listening to rap since like 1992, 1993 so i've heard it all. and the only classic album in my opinion that was released in the past five years is Black on both sides.. his cd actually SOUNDS LIKE REAL MUSIC.. it doesn't sound like a rap album, even though it is.

 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2004, 08:11:43 PM »
^^ I agree with what you're saying about Mos Def, but I think it's too early to call it a classic. However, that album is one of my faves from all genres.

Most hip-hop is now keyboard driven, because the majority of hip-hop workstations have loops and patches that enable somebody with marginal skills to put tracks together,...

Unfortunately, most hip-hop artists gravitated towards the path of least resistance by relying on these pre-set patches. As a result, electric guitar and real musicians became devalued, and a lot of hip-hop now sounds the same.

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2004, 08:35:26 PM »
^^ I agree with what you're saying about Mos Def, but I think it's too early to call it a classic. However, that album is one of my faves from all genres.

5 years, I think is a good time to call it a classic. It's been 5 years.

See the thing is with hip-hop, a classic album is something that will never sound fresh 5-10 years from now. Listen to Run-DMC's old shit, listen to Paid in Full, Criminal Minded, Doggystyle, all of that. It all sounds dated because rap musics sound always changes to whatever is hot. Honestly, the only albums that are classics in terms of classic albums by normal standards are Illmatic, Makaveli and The Chronic. Doggystyle, Ready to Die, Blueprint, all of them, they are classic hip-hop records, but not classic music records. You guys are judging them as the same, but they are not. Hip-Hop is always changing, always fresh. In 3 years crunck will be dissed by most of the hip-hop world.

A hip-hop classic is an album that either defines of changes hip-hop. Criminal Minded defined street hip-hop, Paid in Full changed rhyming, Chronic changed hip-hop to G-Funk, Doggystyle defined G-Funk, Straight Outta Compton introduced gangsta rap, Makaveli defined the whole beef era of the mid-90's,  Illmatic defined the New York comeback, Stillmatic reintroduced raw street hip-hop tp the mainstream, Blueprint defined the jiggy era in a way that's just hip-hop, Chronic 2001 changed rap production to sound better, and The College Dropout changed rap into a commerical meets conscience, or as Kanye says a backpacker with a Jag.

Now some parts of hip-hop don't have classics, 'cause hip-hop would rather forget they existed. Hammer or Vanilla Ice never produced a classic because they made hip-hop look bad. Crunk I doubt will produce a classic album, just like Miami booty shaking never produced a classic. The dance era of Marky Mark and C&C Music Factory has no classics to call it's own, like the Bling Bling era of Cash Money, No Limit from the south, Bad Boy to the east and a lost coast on the west. But for the eras that hip-hop prides it's self on, classics will be produced.
 

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Re: Classic albums since 2000
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2004, 09:07:20 PM »
my list of classics is as follows....i dont expect people to agree with me but these are albums i feel are classics to me...so whatever

Sticky Fingaz - Blacktrash: The Autobiography Of Kirk Jones
Jay-Z - The Black Album
Little Brother - The Listening
Nas - Stillmatic
Nas - The Lost Tapes (even though the recordings were from before)
TQ - The Second Coming

Albums That Come Close
Wyclef Jean - Preachers Son
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Kanye West - College Dropout