Lakers 102, Heat 104 (1OT)

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?

A 2 points shot.

With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...

Why not? I mean in Europe they prefeer to make another OT rather than doing the thing everybody is expecting.. done by the guy everybody is doubling.. In fact they doubled Kobe and Kobe shot from 3pts. Like everybody was expecting. And he didnt have enought balance when he shot. But i understand in the NBA they usually play to make the last WINNING shot rather than a 2 points play.

The paint was being guarded, so there was no way to throw the ball into the painted area without having it deflected, and it takes a lot more than 3 seconds to drive the ball in and get a nice look at a lay-up...Kobe took the best shot possible, and that's probably the play Tomjonavich drew out...This isn't Europe, buddy.

No, it's not that the paint was guarded. It's that, like you said, both Kobe & Rudy T wanted Kobe to shot from 3pts. It wasnt an European game, I know. But i aint blaming Kobe.. It's all good, he deserved that shot.

Bottom line, there's no way to get the ball into the paint for a lay-up without taking a huge risk.

[Shallow]

uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic

Because I have always believed that Shaq was the reason for the wins and Kobe could have been replaced with about 7 or 8 different guys, while Shaq could have been replaced by only Duncan. The next couple years will show if I'm right or not.

and NIK, Kobe has never shown me anything outside of a few high light reel appearances to make me think he's anywhere near Bird yet.

You must not watch basketball...Without Kobe, there is no way the Lakers would've won 3 straight championships...NO WAY IN HELL...You gotta be one dumbass not to know that.

I feel if it were Shaq and T-Mac, Shaq and Iverson, Shaq and Francis, Shaq and Stockton, Shaq and Dirk, Shaq and Kidd, or even Shaq and Nash they would have won 3 championships in the last 6 years. I could name more if I wanted to think about it. Hell, even Shaq and Vince may have been able to pull it off. How many guys do you think could have replaced Shaq? Remember the game was built around the big man, and he was MVP in all three championships.

[KING VerbalAssaulta]

if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.

[KING VerbalAssaulta]

lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved

Once again it's easy to reply to you with stats: KOBE RANKS #6 IN NBA IN ASSIST PER GAME (7.2)

The truth is that Miami is a better team than the Lakers (without George, Butler and Divac), that Wade and Eddie Jones are two very good players (i just loved Eddie.. like everyone but Shaq did, in L.A.), that Leattner helped them a lot from the bench, that they had 4 different players rotating and defending on Kobe, and that Riley is the best coach ever to make games for a Center (remember Kareem?).

On the other side, Rudy T doesnt even have a gamebook: he just gives the ball to Kobe and Kobe creates. On the other side, Lakers have no decent players coming from the bench. And yesterday they started with Atkins, Mihm and Jumaine Jones. 3 decent back-up players, but nothing more. And if you consider the bench players were even worse......

I think you all disrespect Kobe too much. Yesterday Kobe did a great game, Shaq a pretty good (but nothing special) game. Yesterday Kobe did the last shot to win the game, while Shaq was so dumb to make a stupid foul against Kobe (his 6th) letting his team without him for the 4th quarter and the OT.

And, the last thing, you care too much about Kobe and Shaq. Or Jordan and Pippen. But remember a good supporting cast is fundamental: players like Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, Paxon, Kerr, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc.. deserves the ring just like Kobe & Shaq. Cause it's a basketball TEAM, that's not tennis or golf.

So please, give it up with that random nonsense shit..

Lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds..? Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?

easy reply...kobe dominates the ball... someone has to fill up the stat sheet on an average team...key stat...look at the lakers record

[M Dogg™]

if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.

what's with the Kobe hate. Did he beat up your dad, or rape you moms. Calling people Kobe dickriders when you the one on his jock. Peep game, Kobe has his game, and Shaq has his, and together they were the best one-two combo in the NBA. It's over now, like all good things, and now it's time for both to move on. In life, this happens all the time, and both want to move on now that the game is over. I think we should repect this, get off their dicks, and let the NBA season move on into the All-Star game and then playoffs.

[acbaylove]

Bottom line, there's no way to get the ball into the paint for a lay-up without taking a huge risk.

Are you from Israel? If so, Maccabi Tel Aviv is probably the best team in Europe doing it. It's not harder than shooting with a balanced shot from 3pts with the man everybody is expecting to make that shot, trust me. European coaches doesnt write just 1 game, but they always have 2-3 options for the last shot. And if somebody is doubled, there's another one totally free. Kobe had to watch him and give him the ball. You gotta make a lot of pratice, but you can do it. I "study" those situations since i play in a team, here in Italy. Remember Fisher's 0.4 seconds left shot? Well, that was an "European" game, with Fisher being the 3rd option.... 2nd options and 3rd options are as important as the 1st one. In the last Kobe shot, it looks like Kobe was the 1st, the 2nd and the 3rd option, and that the 3pts shot was the only option at all, you know what i mean? I'm sure 7even does, since he's German, European like me, and since he probably watches more European basketball than you.

[acbaylove]

if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...

Actually only Nik said it, not "some of you kobe dickriders"..

kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.

Jordan had Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, and a great supporting cast (ex. Harper, Kukoc, Rodman, Grant, Paxon, Kerr..)
Kobe has just Odom and a bunch of morons.. (Atkins, Mihm, J.Jones, Vujacic, T.Brown, Cook, Medvedenko.. all players i'm sure you've never seen playing before they signed to the Lakers..)

[acbaylove]

lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved

Once again it's easy to reply to you with stats: KOBE RANKS #6 IN NBA IN ASSIST PER GAME (7.2)

The truth is that Miami is a better team than the Lakers (without George, Butler and Divac), that Wade and Eddie Jones are two very good players (i just loved Eddie.. like everyone but Shaq did, in L.A.), that Leattner helped them a lot from the bench, that they had 4 different players rotating and defending on Kobe, and that Riley is the best coach ever to make games for a Center (remember Kareem?).

On the other side, Rudy T doesnt even have a gamebook: he just gives the ball to Kobe and Kobe creates. On the other side, Lakers have no decent players coming from the bench. And yesterday they started with Atkins, Mihm and Jumaine Jones. 3 decent back-up players, but nothing more. And if you consider the bench players were even worse......

I think you all disrespect Kobe too much. Yesterday Kobe did a great game, Shaq a pretty good (but nothing special) game. Yesterday Kobe did the last shot to win the game, while Shaq was so dumb to make a stupid foul against Kobe (his 6th) letting his team without him for the 4th quarter and the OT.

And, the last thing, you care too much about Kobe and Shaq. Or Jordan and Pippen. But remember a good supporting cast is fundamental: players like Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, Paxon, Kerr, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc.. deserves the ring just like Kobe & Shaq. Cause it's a basketball TEAM, that's not tennis or golf.

So please, give it up with that random nonsense shit..

Lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds..? Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?

easy reply...kobe dominates the ball... someone has to fill up the stat sheet on an average team...key stat...look at the lakers record

Fuck a record. This topic is about ONE GAME. The one against Miami. Lakers played a great game without Butler, Divac and George. Miami, the wonderful team you all love, gotta thank Kobe cause he missed his 45th points shot.

[7even]

When you are at home, it is pretty likely you either make the lay-up/dunk or get 'fouled' and make them FTs. It's of course not 100% or something, but hey shooting a 3pt shot when everybody knows you're the one to do it after you havent scored for over 7 minutes isnt 100% sure to make it either, is it?

[acbaylove]

When you are at home, it is pretty likely you either make the lay-up/dunk or get 'fouled' and make them FTs. It's of course not 100% or something, but hey shooting a 3pt shot when everybody knows you're the one to do it after you havent scored for over 7 minutes isnt 100% sure to make it either, is it?

Exactly. Lakers had an horrible OT, with Kobe passing the ball and the Lakers playing horrible.
They should have tied the game to try it again.
They were at home, and Miami was without Shaq.

[Sikx]

oh this never ending circle, arguing about kobe and shaq*yawn*