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Quote from: *Jamal* on January 25, 2005, 01:05:58 PMQuote from: Needles Kane on January 25, 2005, 11:34:28 AMwe attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined asSaddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? So, now you see what I was getting at. well we seperated the iraqis into two groups...and you can't say iraqis don't need defense against other iraqis during these times...almost every other day they are sitting there blowing each other up... so there are common iraqis and pissed off iraqis
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 25, 2005, 11:34:28 AMwe attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined asSaddam was the leader of Iraq. He was Iraqi. The people loyal to him were Iraqi. We attacked Iraq/Iraqis. We were defending Iraqis from Iraqis? So, now you see what I was getting at.
we attacked Saddam and the people loyal to him, still not saying it's right or wrong but that's who the enemy was defined as
answer me one questions...it's a simple yes or no questions jamal...seeing as Iraq doesn't have any military and very little law enforcement....do the iraqi people need protection from foreign and domestic aggressors? remember to take into account looting, bombings of work lines, threats to voters, and the iran border
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 07:07:37 AManswer me one questions...it's a simple yes or no questions jamal...seeing as Iraq doesn't have any military and very little law enforcement....do the iraqi people need protection from foreign and domestic aggressors? remember to take into account looting, bombings of work lines, threats to voters, and the iran borderDid they need it before we fucked everything up? NO. Do they need it now that we killed everyone and fucked everything up? YES.That's not DEFENSE. "You break, you buy".
also we don't have to fix any country we war with..
Read some of the posts on Page3... they still show that your statement is false, and nothing has changed. You claimed that we attack countries and then defend them from others. That's not true. Your example of Guam illustrates this because the Japanese already attacked Guam, we went in to attack the Japanese, and defend the people of Guam. Iraq is a totally different situation because we attacked Iraq. Your theory would claim that "we attacked Iraq to defend it from Iraq", and if that's what you're sticking to, then I don't need to say anything else because that's self-explanatory. If you want to change your statement, be my guest.
Quote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 02:02:41 PMalso we don't have to fix any country we war with.. are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.
Quote from: Ant on January 27, 2005, 07:03:41 PMQuote from: Needles Kane on January 27, 2005, 02:02:41 PMalso we don't have to fix any country we war with.. are we at war with iraq or are we liberating iraq? according to Bush it is the latter.how do you liberate a country with a hostile dictator peacefully? has there ever been any type of liberation of this sccale without blood shed?