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Snoop is a different issue, and in fact is more proof of hiphop artists limiting themselves than being an example of them not. Hes gone and worked with the Neptunes who are what is considered "hot" at the moment, its hardly a major artistic breakthrough. If Snoop did an album with ex-members of Parliament, Funkdelic, and some new funk guys playing new stuff live over it, and really funked out, that would show that he wasn't limiting himself artistically, and would almost be him going full circle back to the roots of his first album, without just revisiting it.
Quote from: Shallow on September 16, 2005, 07:06:18 PMYou said not stupid then you brought up examples of smart by stating Mensa. It was a more than clear implication. Much clearer than your sarcasm, which almost never translates well in writing.I feel I made it very clear from the first post and you were the only one to confuse it. I feel it's stupid to not accept artistic growth from artists and I also feel it's stupid for artists to resist artistic growth. I do not mean this in an econimical way. I mean that rappers tend to think it has to be done a certain way and refuse to accept many things.Yeah, I already stated earlier that your post was a bit ambiguous until you cleared it up... and that I understood what you meant after you clarified it. This is the third time I'm telling you this, but then again... you are the self-proclaimed "most stubborn" poster.
You said not stupid then you brought up examples of smart by stating Mensa. It was a more than clear implication. Much clearer than your sarcasm, which almost never translates well in writing.I feel I made it very clear from the first post and you were the only one to confuse it. I feel it's stupid to not accept artistic growth from artists and I also feel it's stupid for artists to resist artistic growth. I do not mean this in an econimical way. I mean that rappers tend to think it has to be done a certain way and refuse to accept many things.
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Shallow you have NO idea what is going on in America with young Black people, but you are always on this site like you are some kind of hip hop doctor with the solution for the culture. Hip Hop music is being streamlined to the youth, in the form of commercial rap which deals with a limited subject matter that caters to peoples baser instincts. THIS IS THE WAY OF AMERICA, GET PAID, GET BITCHES, FLOSS, SHOOT A MOTHERFUCKA IF HE GET IN YOUR WAY. Its called CAPITALISM. Thank the Major record labels for this formula. Dont blame the rappers because in the 80s and 90s there was alot more subject matter in hip hop. ONE MORE THING DONT EVER DIS LA CUZ I BEEN TO T.O. AND NEW YORK AND WE(LA) GET WAY MORE RESPECT IN HIP HOP THAN YALL.
I got relatives in Canada. My grandfather is Jamaican. West Indians is different than niggas in the states, but if you aint BLACK then you aint qualified to speak on it. Toronto niggas DO NOT LIKE NIGGAS IN AMERICA, dont front, REMEMBER, I GOT RELATIVES UP THERE. Canada is MAD LIBERAL compared to AMERICA. BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA GOT HEATH CARE, BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA GOT OSAP TO GO TO COLLEGE, BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA GOT MORE EFECTIVE LAWS AGAINST RACISM, BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA DONT HAVE EASY ACCESS TO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA DONT HAVE A INNER CITY RACE WAR WITH MEXICANS, BLACK YOUTH IN CANADA DONT HAVE A GANG CULTURE THAT EXIST IN THE STREETS SINCE THE 1940S. Dont get me wrong I love my brothers and sisters in Canada Black & White, but shit is so FUCKED UP over here that Niggas rap about what they know and see. It shouldnt have to be like that, but thats how FUCKED UP SHIT IS.I live in Detroit now, but I was raised on the WS of POMONA, CALIFORNIA, SO SAVE THAT WEST COAST HATING SHIT CUZ WE GOT UNDERGROUND RAPPERS THAT WILL EAT ANY TORONTO RAPPERS FOOD.
Shallow: Black Gangs have been prominent in the last 30 some years. Even then, it wasn't until the 80's that it reached it's peak and began influencing the black-culture. That's why you hear it in Black music today.
Bubba Sparxxx made an amazing album, IMO, with Deliverance... Where is he now?
Bumpy Johnson came out out of a very gang oriented Harlem back in the 20s. The difference was that back then music focused on music and not thug lyrics or becoming celebrities. The reason it's so prominant now is because some rich white and jewish guys realizeg images to suburban kids and popularized that style across the country. This lead young blacks to believe they could become rich this way and that negative style grew. If NWA never sold 2 million records and Dre and Snoop didn't almost double that thwn I'm certain the negative style never would have spread the way it did and become what it has become. It will end once the fad dies out then hip hop can start progessing again.
Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2005, 06:17:49 PMBumpy Johnson came out out of a very gang oriented Harlem back in the 20s. The difference was that back then music focused on music and not thug lyrics or becoming celebrities. The reason it's so prominant now is because some rich white and jewish guys realizeg images to suburban kids and popularized that style across the country. This lead young blacks to believe they could become rich this way and that negative style grew. If NWA never sold 2 million records and Dre and Snoop didn't almost double that thwn I'm certain the negative style never would have spread the way it did and become what it has become. It will end once the fad dies out then hip hop can start progessing again.Gang's in the 20's were MUCH different as Gang's in the 80's. Not even comparable. Like I said, 80's was the peak of Black gangs. That is why you see it as such an influence in their music today. It will not die down as long as people are in the streets gang banging. Everyone talked about street shit from Melle Mel in the "Message" on down. It's a staple of Hip Hop. It started in the streets, will die in the streets.
Of course it won't exclude the streets. Marvin Gaye talked about the streets too. So did Bruce Springsteen. What I mean is that the glorification and bragging about the negative will die out when the commercial aspect is gone. The Message was a great song but it was nothing like the shit that comes out of 50s mouth. gangsta Rap will die out in the mainstream like all popular music does and rap will come back to the underground at which point it will change.P.S. I never knew you were around in the 30s. Gangland warfare was probably worse back then. Most of the black gangs worked as enforcers for mobsters and that was some crazy shit. The bottom line is it was proven in an article I read about rap and video games corrupting youth that per capita there is no more gang related activity now then there was in 1960, 1930, or 1900. I'm not talking exclusivley about blacks.
Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2005, 07:42:02 PMOf course it won't exclude the streets. Marvin Gaye talked about the streets too. So did Bruce Springsteen. What I mean is that the glorification and bragging about the negative will die out when the commercial aspect is gone. The Message was a great song but it was nothing like the shit that comes out of 50s mouth. gangsta Rap will die out in the mainstream like all popular music does and rap will come back to the underground at which point it will change.P.S. I never knew you were around in the 30s. Gangland warfare was probably worse back then. Most of the black gangs worked as enforcers for mobsters and that was some crazy shit. The bottom line is it was proven in an article I read about rap and video games corrupting youth that per capita there is no more gang related activity now then there was in 1960, 1930, or 1900. I'm not talking exclusivley about blacks.Listen to Just Ice or Schooly D. It's been in Hip Hop since it started. Glorification of Street life is NEVER leaving. Sorry.And, Shallow, we're talking Blacks. What I-Talian or Russian's did isn't really of much interest here.