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Quote from: Shallow on September 24, 2005, 01:58:08 PMJust so we're clear; are you saying that the Revolution will come with programming that allows the user to program his or her own games?yeah thats what someone told me they'd heard... its been on a lot of peoples wishlists for years
Just so we're clear; are you saying that the Revolution will come with programming that allows the user to program his or her own games?
for you maybe.. but for people that really want to learn to make games or whatever this could be brillant.your attitude is whats wrong with the games industry today.who says games need to be 3D? a great game doesnt always have the best graphics. i've played some wack ass looking games that were amazing fun.back in the day for systems like the amiga there used to be many 'easy' things that'd help people make games.. like AMOS and SEUCK.. along with "proper" languages.the thing is.. nintendo could b ecreating a chance for people that never had them.. like people did back in the day. there is still a greater thrill about controlling whats on your TV over whats on a monitor. PC's arent home games machines like a console no matter what they do it seems.think of it like this... open source cross platform projects that have been around for years, things like MAME and Linux will be easily portable to revolution if they've done this. along with things like media centre stuff.. i look at it like this.. if people went to the effort to hack xbox's and put linux on them, and make their own games and port MAME and make xbox media centre.. imagine what they'll do with something that doesnt need so much hassle to access the TV?the main argument against homebrew development from the likes of Sony/M$ is that it will mean people have the ability to run unsigned code on their console.. that means they _may_ find a way to make any commercial game 'look' like its a homebrew game.. and allow copied versions to run. this same reason is why consoles often use 'new' or altered versions of existing media.anyways.. i was just told this by a guy at work.. it seems there was a rumour about this back in may, and from what i can tell it may not be true.
In my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software. Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously. I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up. Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations. "Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software.
I don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.
Quote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 07:22:00 AMI don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.you have it all wrong. you're over simiplifying things.. trauma understood and reexplained what i meant in the last paragraph of his post. i cant say it any better than he did. I dont think you're reading posts here properly or aren't able to understand some of the finer points seeing how wide you missed the mark with this one. shallow indeed...
i'll answer one valid point you made. yes nintendo traditionally is for the kid, cutsey market. the homebrew market IMO would be a slightly older range... pushing from 10+ through to college age. as for accessing the tv.. the place of a PC is in a corner or a room.. only a console garners 'round the tv' support.. i've rarely sat with more than one person around a PC playing a game.. whereas i've sat in a room with up to say 8 people passing round controllers for console games.
Quote from: Overseer on September 26, 2005, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 07:22:00 AMI don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.you have it all wrong. you're over simiplifying things.. trauma understood and reexplained what i meant in the last paragraph of his post. i cant say it any better than he did. I dont think you're reading posts here properly or aren't able to understand some of the finer points seeing how wide you missed the mark with this one. shallow indeed...Okay I think I get it. Trauma means that you can reprogram original games when burning them and that way have your system play bootleg games. If that's all it is then big fucking deal. That's been going on since the Game Doctor and mod chips are easy to find. If I got it wrong again ten please explain it to me.
Why are you making this personal? Clicking the diss button (I just assumne it was you), and throwing out personal insults. I expect that kind of shit from Trauma, (which he didn't even do in this thread).
Quote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 01:36:50 PMQuote from: Overseer on September 26, 2005, 11:15:25 AMQuote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 07:22:00 AMI don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.you have it all wrong. you're over simiplifying things.. trauma understood and reexplained what i meant in the last paragraph of his post. i cant say it any better than he did. I dont think you're reading posts here properly or aren't able to understand some of the finer points seeing how wide you missed the mark with this one. shallow indeed...Okay I think I get it. Trauma means that you can reprogram original games when burning them and that way have your system play bootleg games. If that's all it is then big fucking deal. That's been going on since the Game Doctor and mod chips are easy to find. If I got it wrong again ten please explain it to me.the big deal is the the "bypass" would be in software.. and therefore wouldnt require hardware mods.. i.e.. its an easier hack.. and yes it is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to someone trying to get software houses to develop for their console if they can't promise a certain level of security. your final points show you understand piracy to be a big issue since you admit that PC piracy is massive in comparison to console piracy. this is why people want to develop for consoles.. their investment is safer. (not safe.. safeR)decent mod's chips do often take a long time to come out after console's are released.Quote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 01:36:50 PMWhy are you making this personal? Clicking the diss button (I just assumne it was you), and throwing out personal insults. I expect that kind of shit from Trauma, (which he didn't even do in this thread).no it wasn't me.. you're WAY over reacting.. you came out all defensive and actually ended up showing that you couldn't comprehend (and still cant by the looks of it) the implications of certain things all i've said was the homebrew thing was a cool idea and that i liked it, i never said it would carry the console saleswise. just that its a cool thing to have... and that i like the idea of the controller.. i'm not going to buy one, i'm not even going to by a PS3 _OR_ an xbox 360. I only have an Xbox coz i was given it.. and if it weren't for xbmc i'd have sold it long ago. as it stands i can't do without it. if you look back in this section i think xbox360 is far superior to the PS3 and have explained why i think the architecture is a winner. M$ had to get the release day jump on Sony this time round.. its a big risk.. but they're gonna get a lot of unit's in houses this Xmas which will be massively in their favour.and no.. i still haven't clicked diss... i'm not on some childish petty shit like that
Quote from: I Want My Donation Back on September 26, 2005, 06:45:35 AMIn my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software. Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously. I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up. Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations. "Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software. There's a fine line between pessimistic and realistic. You are over optimistic and unrealistic. You actually said PS3 might fall to number 3. Gamecube and XBox combined didn't even sell half the systems PS2 sold. Sony is starting with a much bigger market. They have 90 million buyers to get to buy a PS3, while Microsoft and Nintendo have about 20 million to start with. Sony could only attract half their audience while Nintendo and Microsoft could each double, and Sony would still be number 1. Sony may lose down the line but anyone that thinks that Sony is going to lose the next round thinks with hte same logic that caused people to think Genesis would beat out SNES.I don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.
Quote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: I Want My Donation Back on September 26, 2005, 06:45:35 AMIn my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software. Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously. I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up. Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations. "Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software. There's a fine line between pessimistic and realistic. You are over optimistic and unrealistic. You actually said PS3 might fall to number 3. Gamecube and XBox combined didn't even sell half the systems PS2 sold. Sony is starting with a much bigger market. They have 90 million buyers to get to buy a PS3, while Microsoft and Nintendo have about 20 million to start with. Sony could only attract half their audience while Nintendo and Microsoft could each double, and Sony would still be number 1. Sony may lose down the line but anyone that thinks that Sony is going to lose the next round thinks with hte same logic that caused people to think Genesis would beat out SNES.I don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.That's because you're basically a fucking idiot. You don't get the point a LOT of the time.
Quote from: I Want My Donation Back on September 27, 2005, 07:04:04 AMQuote from: Shallow on September 26, 2005, 07:22:00 AMQuote from: I Want My Donation Back on September 26, 2005, 06:45:35 AMIn my opinion, I doubt it's true. I read something, in an interview, that led me to believe that Nintendo will be working with smaller companies with some sort of templates, if that's possible, that will reduce some of the start up costs of developing games (they're saying around 50%). I didn't read anything that led me to believe they would be releasing homebrew friendly software. Ultimately, the move they're making isn't to satiate fans who want to do their own games, it's to please third-party developers, whom Nintendo has had a rocky road with over the last several years. The main reason Nintendo is in 3rd place right now is because they didn't make it easy for third party developers to thrive on their system. Their first party titles are head and shoulders above the other two companies games, but that's not enough to win the battle anymore.So now they're making it cheaper to make games for the revolution, they're saying you'll be able to make two or three revolution games for the price it would take to make 1 360 game or ps3 game. I think it's an effective strategy that will probably help them out tremendously. I think the company with the most to lose this time around is Sony. I don't see the PS3 being the #1 console, that will probably belong to X-box, and Nintendo may or may not regain the '2nd' spot. The Gamecube has been outperforming the X-box in sales for nearly a year now, although in terms of overall sales it hasn't caught up. Shallow; you're basically a pessimist. It comes across in all of your conversations. "Make it look like homebrew" means that if Nintendo allows you to make a homebrew game for their system, then you could just copy "Super Mario Bros Revolution" or whatever onto a disc, hack it with a small code that makes it look like an original, homebrew creation, and run pirated software on the system. The revolution, to be able to play homebrew games, would have to be able to play pirated software. There's a fine line between pessimistic and realistic. You are over optimistic and unrealistic. You actually said PS3 might fall to number 3. Gamecube and XBox combined didn't even sell half the systems PS2 sold. Sony is starting with a much bigger market. They have 90 million buyers to get to buy a PS3, while Microsoft and Nintendo have about 20 million to start with. Sony could only attract half their audience while Nintendo and Microsoft could each double, and Sony would still be number 1. Sony may lose down the line but anyone that thinks that Sony is going to lose the next round thinks with hte same logic that caused people to think Genesis would beat out SNES.I don't get what the point is of taking a game like Mario Revolution and making it look like it was made by some guy.That's because you're basically a fucking idiot. You don't get the point a LOT of the time. I already admitted I was wrong and misinterpreted what you meant and corrected myself. Then I showed the reprograming method obsolete and still pointless. It's easier just get a mod chip and even if it were easier to reprogram, how does that help Nintendo's game sales?
Remember it, because I'll be glad to say I was wrong it come January 2007 X Box is ahead.