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OK, I'm gonna catch a lot of shit but whatever. When i see acts like Atmosphere, Aesop Rock, etc... I cant help but think that hip hop is doomed before long. I know you're gonna wanna say, "no it's the shitty top 40 rappers that are destroying it", No. The thing about mainstream rap is that it is still a black mans game and it still contains the energy and rawness that made the genre so big in the first place. So many underground cats are sick of it so what do they do? make the polar opposite. Now this may attract a lot of white kids and shit who are tired of their SDE tape and want to be part of some intelligent movement, but what these "educated" albums are doing is just making it safe for white people to intervene and do whatever to the music in the name of "art". So many suburban kids have now found an outlet thru these self concious artisitic rappers because they can relate to it, so then they start their own projects, and soon there's a whole white rap scene. The problem with this is, since we live in a white world, its only a matter of time before this gets taken over as mainstream rap, and all the hardcore dudes we dont hear from again. The same thing happened with jazz, and its only a matter of time before it happens to hip hop.
Back Pack isn't changing the music scene? Are you serious? Dogg... Go to a BackPack show. You'll see a bunch of kids who look like they belong at a Misfits concert.
no, backpack is tight, there are a lot of skilled white rappers out thereI seriously don't get how you can hate aesop rock or atmosphere.
Quote from: 7even the Opinion Maker on September 28, 2005, 02:15:10 PMno, backpack is tight, there are a lot of skilled white rappers out thereI seriously don't get how you can hate aesop rock or atmosphere. If you understood his post, you would see it was not about if you like that genre of hip hop. It's about what you think the genre will become.
I remember some of the arguments suggesting that Eminem was going to ruin rap and that he would be like Elvis, taking rap from black folks. That hasn't happened obviously and the arguments that were made at the time were obviously way off the mark.Also, one thing to point out to all the folks that are paranoid about white people taking over hip hop. What happened with Blues, Jazz and Rock and Roll is that we gave that shit away. Whites did not take rock and roll from us, we stopped checking for it, plain and simple. Same thing with jazz and blues. I don't see us just giving this shit away, it's too entrenched at this point. I don't see it happening.
Then where are the record sales? You telling me all these kids you claim are into back packing and none are buying the music. You can judge the national music scene based on what happens in your store, and I'll stick to the tried and true approach of readng national numbers. When 2 or 3 backpack rappers go at least 5 platinum, then I'll say it's changing the scene. Selling out gymnasiums or small music halls doesn't mean shit. Let's see Rifleman sell out Shea Stadium, then we'll talk.
Quote from: Shallow on September 29, 2005, 04:32:41 PMThen where are the record sales? You telling me all these kids you claim are into back packing and none are buying the music. You can judge the national music scene based on what happens in your store, and I'll stick to the tried and true approach of readng national numbers. When 2 or 3 backpack rappers go at least 5 platinum, then I'll say it's changing the scene. Selling out gymnasiums or small music halls doesn't mean shit. Let's see Rifleman sell out Shea Stadium, then we'll talk.They dont't sell because these kids bootlegg. Trust me, I know PLENTY of BackPackers out here. My question to you is, ever been to Project Blowed? No? Then don't ask me what I know. That is BackPack HEAVEN and you RARELY see a real CD in there. One person buys, the rest get and burn it. Or hell, the artist themselves slang burn copies. That's why you don't see big numbers. So yea...
Quote from: Juronimo is Public Enemy #1 on September 29, 2005, 05:37:27 PMI remember some of the arguments suggesting that Eminem was going to ruin rap and that he would be like Elvis, taking rap from black folks. That hasn't happened obviously and the arguments that were made at the time were obviously way off the mark.Also, one thing to point out to all the folks that are paranoid about white people taking over hip hop. What happened with Blues, Jazz and Rock and Roll is that we gave that shit away. Whites did not take rock and roll from us, we stopped checking for it, plain and simple. Same thing with jazz and blues. I don't see us just giving this shit away, it's too entrenched at this point. I don't see it happening.Elvis didn't ruin or steal anything.
Hip hop has always been about partying and having fun. The backpackers that have hate for commercial club music and street music show a basic lack of understanding for the roots of hip hop as a culture. Also, most of these kids can't relate to the street message. As a result, there's really little that they can do to change the game.Spokin like a true student of the game because most fools have no idea what hip hop is. It annoys me to No end when I see some peon trying to tell me whats valid and they were born in 90 lol. and never took the time to study the history. Biz markie was hip hop, KRS1, Force MD's, Joeski Love, Kane, Public enemy were hip hop..Paris, Salt & Pepper, basically that whole generation. most of these kids dont even know who pig martin is "here comes the judge" was the first rap record, even before the last poets. and i think dude was from the south. the founding father for the southern sound Mr. Mixx is from riverside, all those people are the body of hip hop. stringing a bunch of words together, "I take the tedious, mischievious, devious, blah, blah, blah", dont mean you dope
So you're telling me there are between 5 to 10 million back pack fans. Even if every fan bootlegs, where are the big concerts. (for the record, a big concert is 20,000 tickets sold. A very big concert is 40 of 50 thousand tickets sold). Let's see. Project Blowed's next show is at the Terrace Restaurant in Pasadena. I'm sure that's just sas big as MSG. Then they are back in LA with Aceyalone at the Normandie Casino. I guess the Staples Centre isn't available.