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Quote from: Antonio on September 26, 2007, 10:54:36 AMQuote from: wcsoldier on September 26, 2007, 10:07:26 AMI actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...Ok. I make you an example. I'd rather trade Odom AND Bynum for KG/JO/Kidd/Gasol than trading Odom+fillers for Marion. Marion won't make our team ready to contend. And i don't see a point trading Odom for a player who, just like him, ain't enought to turn the team into a contending one. Let's trade Bynum too, if necessary. But for a player who can make us contenders from day1. fact all these trades can't be made ... Odom AND Bynum for Kidd ? Hell no ... JO is injury prone , Bynum + fillers for Gasol yep but I heard NOTHING about acquiring Gasol... not even pointless rumors and by the way I still wonder why ... I'm not a fan at all of this trade BUT in 3 seasons Lamar hasn't CONSISTENLY delivered whatever the reason is (injuries , mental weakness ...) I like Lamar game but dude is fucking frustrating .. with the talent he has , he should be among the NBA top 10 players... do you want the same old shit for a 4th year in a row ? (by the way there are already reports it's unlikely he'll be 100% at the start of the season ..) ... yeah it's a risky trade but at this point I'd took it ... at least we would have tried something ... at worst we'll have the same level with Marion on the team
Quote from: wcsoldier on September 26, 2007, 10:07:26 AMI actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...Ok. I make you an example. I'd rather trade Odom AND Bynum for KG/JO/Kidd/Gasol than trading Odom+fillers for Marion. Marion won't make our team ready to contend. And i don't see a point trading Odom for a player who, just like him, ain't enought to turn the team into a contending one. Let's trade Bynum too, if necessary. But for a player who can make us contenders from day1.
I actually agree with Antonio and I know Nik will puke if Mitch pulls the trigger on this trade but to be honest I think it's time to try something ... Kobe and Lamar doesn't work as a combo , Lamar is inconsistent and injury prone ... Marion is rarely injured and despite he can't create his own , he still managed to put big numbers before the Nash era ... fact is Marion wants more touches and is frustrated with his role in Phoenix whereas he would be the 2nd option here ... the main drawback is we lost Lamar passing abilities .. besides that they're both very good rebounders, Lamar is a better defender at the 4 spot whereas Marion is a much better defender at the 3 ... if our power forward rotation would be deeper I wouldn't hesitate and play Marion as a SF but that trade would leave us with Turiaf and Vlad at the 4 , which is very weak ... though a Kobe-Marion could attract some players ala Chris Webber .. you never know ... at the end trading in the same division and improving the Suns isn't clever at all.. but not taking any risk isn't my type neither .. fact is we BETTER not fucking up the start of the season coz things could become quickly out of control ... and with the reports that Lamar may not be 100 % at the start of the season... anyways I still think the key is a Al Jefferson type of explosion from Andrew ...
Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 26, 2007, 02:44:08 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on September 26, 2007, 02:21:01 PMQuote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 26, 2007, 02:08:27 PMImo Odom + Bynum for JO would be better than Odom + Cook for Marion. At least JO is a big. Marion however is just a more athletic and less skilled version of Odom lol. Doesn't bring big change other than leaving Kobe with more work cause he would have to initiate even more. In other words if this trade goes down, Jim Buss is on Bynum's dick way too much, way too much.You're over looking something real important. In terms of durability, Marion > Odom & J.O. They're both always injured. Odom is a great all around player, and he'd be excellent on another team, but he's not doing what we need him to do on the Lakers. In 3 years this guy has only has 3 seasons he only had 2 30 point games. Marion is much more consistent. Plus, now that we have Fisher we don't need Kobe to be the full time play maker. Besides, the triangle gives everyone a good amount of shots.Although likely, it's still speculation that JO will be injured and that Marion won't. Odom is already playing minutes as PF, you want Marion to that, too? That's sick. At this point, I'd do that trade, but only cause of the special situation the Lakers are in. But still, you're fooling yourself if you think that's a great trade.Nah that trade would be great. Marion would take tons of pressure of Kobe defensively. He's a much more reliable 2nd scoring option. And he's just as good (if not better) of a rebounder than Odom and JO.Kwame Brown / Andrew Bynum / Chris MihmVladimir Radmanovic / Ronny TuriafShawn Marion / Luke WaltonKobe Bryant / Maurice Evans / Sasha VujacicDerek Fisher / Jordan Farmar / Javaris Crittenton
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on September 26, 2007, 02:21:01 PMQuote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 26, 2007, 02:08:27 PMImo Odom + Bynum for JO would be better than Odom + Cook for Marion. At least JO is a big. Marion however is just a more athletic and less skilled version of Odom lol. Doesn't bring big change other than leaving Kobe with more work cause he would have to initiate even more. In other words if this trade goes down, Jim Buss is on Bynum's dick way too much, way too much.You're over looking something real important. In terms of durability, Marion > Odom & J.O. They're both always injured. Odom is a great all around player, and he'd be excellent on another team, but he's not doing what we need him to do on the Lakers. In 3 years this guy has only has 3 seasons he only had 2 30 point games. Marion is much more consistent. Plus, now that we have Fisher we don't need Kobe to be the full time play maker. Besides, the triangle gives everyone a good amount of shots.Although likely, it's still speculation that JO will be injured and that Marion won't. Odom is already playing minutes as PF, you want Marion to that, too? That's sick. At this point, I'd do that trade, but only cause of the special situation the Lakers are in. But still, you're fooling yourself if you think that's a great trade.
Quote from: 7even is the next Iwan Karamasow on September 26, 2007, 02:08:27 PMImo Odom + Bynum for JO would be better than Odom + Cook for Marion. At least JO is a big. Marion however is just a more athletic and less skilled version of Odom lol. Doesn't bring big change other than leaving Kobe with more work cause he would have to initiate even more. In other words if this trade goes down, Jim Buss is on Bynum's dick way too much, way too much.You're over looking something real important. In terms of durability, Marion > Odom & J.O. They're both always injured. Odom is a great all around player, and he'd be excellent on another team, but he's not doing what we need him to do on the Lakers. In 3 years this guy has only has 3 seasons he only had 2 30 point games. Marion is much more consistent. Plus, now that we have Fisher we don't need Kobe to be the full time play maker. Besides, the triangle gives everyone a good amount of shots.
Imo Odom + Bynum for JO would be better than Odom + Cook for Marion. At least JO is a big. Marion however is just a more athletic and less skilled version of Odom lol. Doesn't bring big change other than leaving Kobe with more work cause he would have to initiate even more. In other words if this trade goes down, Jim Buss is on Bynum's dick way too much, way too much.
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on September 25, 2007, 12:08:17 PMWould Marion Now Welcome A Trade?QuoteAccording to several Suns sources, Shawn Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension.Apparently Marion wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal.The two top trade possibilities involve Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with his team, and Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom and a teammate, possibly forward Brian Cook.Lamar Odom + Brian Cook for Shawn Marion? C'mon God - atleast give me this!I'm disgusted that you want to trade Lamar Odom for the 2nd coming of Ceballos.
Would Marion Now Welcome A Trade?QuoteAccording to several Suns sources, Shawn Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension.Apparently Marion wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal.The two top trade possibilities involve Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with his team, and Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom and a teammate, possibly forward Brian Cook.Lamar Odom + Brian Cook for Shawn Marion? C'mon God - atleast give me this!
According to several Suns sources, Shawn Marion seems to be unhappy that the team will not talk about a contract extension.Apparently Marion wants $60 million over three years. Marion, already the highest-paid Suns player, will make $16.4 million this season and $17.8 million for 2008-09.Trade rumors might not bother Marion much anymore, because there are indications that he would welcome a deal.The two top trade possibilities involve Utah Jazz forward Andrei Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with his team, and Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom and a teammate, possibly forward Brian Cook.
A sampling of executives and agents said it is unlikely that the Phoenix Suns would move disgruntled forward Shawn Marion before Monday's mandatory reporting day.After Monday, according to the Arizona Republic, it appears the Suns could stop exploring trade possibilities.League insiders did not believe that Marion's trade request hurt the chance to move him. Two insiders said it might prompt more offers.With Marion back, the Suns would be deemed a contender as long as the damage to team chemistry, a point of emphasis for new General Manager Steve Kerr, is minimized."It's a distraction if you let it be a distraction," Suns guard Raja Bell said shortly after coach Mike D'Antoni said, "Once we start playing basketball, it won't be a distraction."One NBA executive did not believe that Marion's issues would be resolved, but Marion has played well with a chip on his shoulder.
I would only trade Odom for JO, straight up...That's about it though.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on September 29, 2007, 10:31:23 AMI would only trade Odom for JO, straight up...That's about it though. LMAO! You're delirious kid. Even if Indiana was dumb enough to do that, Odom's contract is still $20 million to short.
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on September 29, 2007, 08:18:51 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on September 29, 2007, 10:31:23 AMI would only trade Odom for JO, straight up...That's about it though. LMAO! You're delirious kid. Even if Indiana was dumb enough to do that, Odom's contract is still $20 million to short. Exactly...which is why I wouldn't trade Odom. You're dumber than I though if you think we can get equal value for Odom.
Shawn Marion is only going to land with the Lakers if new Suns GM Steve Kerr is willing to take back Kwame Brown and Vlade Radmanovic. That's not happening, and the Suns aren't getting Lamar Odom for Marion, either.
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