I also blame Lebron. 

You had great characters as the face of the league before Lebron.  Magic and Bird had great character.  Jordan was the gold standard, classy guy.  Shaq and Charles, great sense of humor and great characters to carry the game.  Then Kobe had great character, you never caught Kobe acting like a jack-ass.   He was a really mature guy, spoke two languages, had solid parenting in his life, came from a good family.  The guy not only spoke to the hip-hop culture by dating Brandy and all that, but the guy could actually rap, but wasn't trying to pretend to be hard or any bullshit like that, he was just who he was, and on the court he was as "hard" and solid as anyone in the game, without pretense.  He did it with class and character.  And all the guys I mentioned were all articulate in interviews and press conferences and didn't speak in sports cliche' or need notes to speak to media.

Then you got woke ass Lebron trying to get political and be Muhammad Ali, but he doesn't have half the character of Ali.

I really cant stand anything about Lebron...I feel about him the way DMX felt about Drake lol

But all these Jets teams you are mentioning never really seemed that talented.  They seemed to be winning big games by luck or turnovers, or getting motivated by Rex Ryan or Parcells.  Which does make it more exciting when they play over their heads like that.

I loved Rex Ryan back when he was a coach.  It's more as a commentator that he started to seem like a moron to me.  But back when he was with the Jets he was one of my favorite coaches.

true we never had the most talent...in 2015 we had Ryan Fitzpatrick who had a great year for us with 31 td passes and Vinny had that great year in '98 but other than that you have to go back to the 80s to find a really talented team...2015 was also the last winning season we had so its been a drought to say the least

He also produced a nice joint on Nas' under-rated Hip-Hop is Dead album.  Love Chris Webber.  Great guy.

yessir..."Blunt Ashes" with the Marvin Gaye sample...great track

that album was the last one I really reallly felt from Nas..."Life Is Good" was dope too but I liked HHID better

Imagine 'What We Go Through' original featuring Bad Azz and Tha Dogg Pound was on the album..

Yeah, that would've elevated the album--but still--what came out worked.  The song was still banging and didn't sound like anything was missing.

you mean Chris Webber?

he had a pretty decent flow in the 90s

He also produced a nice joint on Nas' under-rated Hip-Hop is Dead album.  Love Chris Webber.  Great guy.

Rex was decent...he could definitely coach defense...Sanchez might be the worst QB to ever make 2 consecutive championship games

that '98 team was my favorite Jet team...I really thought they had a shot...I didnt feel that way the 2 teams in this decade

But all these Jets teams you are mentioning never really seemed that talented.  They seemed to be winning big games by luck or turnovers, or getting motivated by Rex Ryan or Parcells.  Which does make it more exciting when they play over their heads like that.

I loved Rex Ryan back when he was a coach.  It's more as a commentator that he started to seem like a moron to me.  But back when he was with the Jets he was one of my favorite coaches.

We had some big debates on this topic on previous threads, but I'm one of the biggest defenders of Take a Look Over Your Shoulder.  It has a cohesive sound and feel to the album that plays throughout.  You can play start to finish with no skips (unlike that aweful Drag On song on I Want it All).

Plus it's all in house G Funk artists and Warren's homies that worked the album.  On I Want It All he started doing the same bullshit everybody else started doing in 98' and going outside their camps just to boost marketing and sales by saying, "oh I got this artist on the album".

Don't get me wrong, I loved I Want It All when it dropped, and it also has a cohesive sound and feel throughout.  Which is one of the reasons we love Warren G albums.  But even the best tracks can't touch...

"Reality"
"Annie Mae"
"Smokin Me Out"
"What We Go Through"
"Young Fun"

Those 5 joints are FIRE!! and next level over I Want It All.

Imagine 'What We Go Through' original featuring Bad Azz and Tha Dogg Pound was on the album..

one thing that has hurt too is the influx of Euros and Euro style play...I know a few friends I grew up with who that is one reason they dislike todays game

I also blame Lebron. 

You had great characters as the face of the league before Lebron.  Magic and Bird had great character.  Jordan was the gold standard, classy guy.  Shaq and Charles, great sense of humor and great characters to carry the game.  Then Kobe had great character, you never caught Kobe acting like a jack-ass.   He was a really mature guy, spoke two languages, had solid parenting in his life, came from a good family.  The guy not only spoke to the hip-hop culture by dating Brandy and all that, but the guy could actually rap, but wasn't trying to pretend to be hard or any bullshit like that, he was just who he was, and on the court he was as "hard" and solid as anyone in the game, without pretense.  He did it with class and character.  And all the guys I mentioned were all articulate in interviews and press conferences and didn't speak in sports cliche' or need notes to speak to media.

Then you got woke ass Lebron trying to get political and be Muhammad Ali, but he doesn't have half the character of Ali.

hate to ruin the joke, but you guys do realize I was just trolling because of what that girl posted in the G-Spot about Ice Cube.  This thread topic isn't real

Snoop and Kurupt wrote "this DJ" and "Do You See"

but I dont know who his most recent writers are

I really liked "I Want It All"...I would maybe switch ratings with "Take A Look Over Your Soldier"

We had some big debates on this topic on previous threads, but I'm one of the biggest defenders of Take a Look Over Your Shoulder.  It has a cohesive sound and feel to the album that plays throughout.  You can play start to finish with no skips (unlike that aweful Drag On song on I Want it All).

Plus it's all in house G Funk artists and Warren's homies that worked the album.  On I Want It All he started doing the same bullshit everybody else started doing in 98' and going outside their camps just to boost marketing and sales by saying, "oh I got this artist on the album".

Don't get me wrong, I loved I Want It All when it dropped, and it also has a cohesive sound and feel throughout.  Which is one of the reasons we love Warren G albums.  But even the best tracks can't touch...

"Reality"
"Annie Mae"
"Smokin Me Out"
"What We Go Through"
"Young Fun"

Those 5 joints are FIRE!! and next level over I Want It All.