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Re: Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2006, 11:57:33 AM »

2 Things, what is happening now is actually worse than what occured under the apartheid and secondly regardless of that when did I ever  say i support the u.s government. What i am illustrating is simply this....people like farrakhan may seem good justly people but then like I just pointed out there is a twisted angle and motive to these people. Furthermore he tried to paint new orleans as not harming white people whatsoever, what complete bullshit. The rich areas of the city which were unscathed by the flood had the troops kicking their doors in to seize their weapons. Were talking about old people having their homes kicked in to take their weapons from them illegally. He ignores all this though and instead oh we have to empower black people the government is after black people so it just creates this illusion that white people arent being oppressed and thus angers black people when they think abut white people and how they have got it so good. In other words he just feeds on peoples ignorance.
 

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Re: Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2006, 05:29:16 AM »

2 Things, what is happening now is actually worse than what occured under the apartheid and secondly regardless of that when did I ever  say i support the u.s government. What i am illustrating is simply this....people like farrakhan may seem good justly people but then like I just pointed out there is a twisted angle and motive to these people. Furthermore he tried to paint new orleans as not harming white people whatsoever, what complete bullshit. The rich areas of the city which were unscathed by the flood had the troops kicking their doors in to seize their weapons. Were talking about old people having their homes kicked in to take their weapons from them illegally. He ignores all this though and instead oh we have to empower black people the government is after black people so it just creates this illusion that white people arent being oppressed and thus angers black people when they think abut white people and how they have got it so good. In other words he just feeds on peoples ignorance.

I have mixed feelings when it comes to both Farrakhan and Amerikka. I dont agree with the statement that what is happening now (in S.A.) being worst than aparthied. Both situations are f'd up tho.
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Re: Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2006, 05:42:57 AM »
1.) What facts? We're talking about religion and faith. If anything we discuss is factual then there would be a lot less athiests around. There aren't even any "facts" that show if Jesus even existed. Which is why some argue he was a fictional creation.

2.) I wasn't talking just about the Quran. I was using the basic idea of God as someone who can do anything and and everything using simple logic it is safe to assume that he could create an equal. There is nothing that states he can't so I say he can, but we agree on this because I also would say there is no proof that he can.


3.) I didn't think Jehovah's Witnesses considered themselves Christian.


4.) If the Trinity is something made up by Paul to recruit gentiles and Jesus never said he was God then why did the Jewish leaders turn on him and reject him? Or was that made up by Paul too. There has to be a reason why they rejected him. Let's look at it from an early Christian perspective who supposedly beleved in him as a prophet who never claimed to be God; wouldn't they wonder why he was crucified. Even if you believe it was only because he was creating a movement the Romans didn't like and they decided to crucify him (which in itself doesn't make sense to me since he Jesus actually told people to pay their taxes), it doesn't explain why the Jews would turn away from him and his teachings.



If you are truely interested check out the Arius debate to find out when the GOD Father/SON teaching came about, and the Council of Nice in the year 325 A.D. to find out when Christian trinitarian theology was founded. About 300 years after Jesus's and his apostles. Also called Nicean Council of 325.
Note: Constintine did not become a baptized Christian until his deathbed, but presided over one of the most important debates in the history of Christianity and most likely created this rift which manifest itself today as the Christian/Islam debate.
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Re: Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2006, 08:04:28 AM »
What makes Arius anymore of an authority on what Jesus was over any Trinitarian at the time? He wasn't with Jesus at anytime since he was born over 200 years after Jesus was gone. Like I said; there is no way to prove one over the other. You just have to choose what you want to believe. Prove to me that an angel was speaking to Mohammad in the cave and he wasn't just writing it himself by taking existing texts and reworking them to suit him, or doing the bidding of those in power to create a rift. You can't, but you can choose to believe it is real, and that's fine. There is no room for proof in faith, because it then ceases to be faith.
 

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« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2006, 03:08:59 PM »
What makes Arius anymore of an authority on what Jesus was over any Trinitarian at the time? He wasn't with Jesus at anytime since he was born over 200 years after Jesus was gone. Like I said; there is no way to prove one over the other. You just have to choose what you want to believe. Prove to me that an angel was speaking to Mohammad in the cave and he wasn't just writing it himself by taking existing texts and reworking them to suit him, or doing the bidding of those in power to create a rift. You can't, but you can choose to believe it is real, and that's fine. There is no room for proof in faith, because it then ceases to be faith.
I am not arguing with you I was just pointing out that the trinity was not an established christian doctrine until 325. If you choose to go along with the trinity so be it, but Constintine was a shady dude governing over these councils, and NEVER being baptized until his deathbed. Makes me doubt some of these so-called Christian "truths" that his council injected into Christianity that is foreign to judaism (b4 Christ), and Islam (after Christ). I am not a Muslim, but I agree with some things they say. I am with Jesus teaching, I just dont believe every single thing that organized religion, Jew, Christian or Islam says.
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Re: Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2006, 06:56:02 PM »
What makes Arius anymore of an authority on what Jesus was over any Trinitarian at the time? He wasn't with Jesus at anytime since he was born over 200 years after Jesus was gone. Like I said; there is no way to prove one over the other. You just have to choose what you want to believe. Prove to me that an angel was speaking to Mohammad in the cave and he wasn't just writing it himself by taking existing texts and reworking them to suit him, or doing the bidding of those in power to create a rift. You can't, but you can choose to believe it is real, and that's fine. There is no room for proof in faith, because it then ceases to be faith.
I am not arguing with you I was just pointing out that the trinity was not an established christian doctrine until 325. If you choose to go along with the trinity so be it, but Constintine was a shady dude governing over these councils, and NEVER being baptized until his deathbed. Makes me doubt some of these so-called Christian "truths" that his council injected into Christianity that is foreign to judaism (b4 Christ), and Islam (after Christ). I am not a Muslim, but I agree with some things they say. I am with Jesus teaching, I just dont believe every single thing that organized religion, Jew, Christian or Islam says.

You make it sound that Constatine made up the idea of Christianity. Even some of the biggest opposers say it was brought forth by Paul. I don't defend the trinity so much as I defend the possibility of it. Too many people make it sound like it can't be a possibility. I'm more than open to the idea that it isn't. I just belive that it is. if Jesus were to return and say the Trinity is something made up then I'd believe that. I'm open to any religion being the right one, and none of them being real.