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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2006, 04:55:24 PM »
As an MC, Biggie is easily Top 10, and probably above Pac.  I like Pac as much as everyone else, but Biggie was an infinitely better MC - I will never forget hearing "Unbelievable" the first time and listening to him flow and thinking "Gat DAYUM!" to myself.  Listen to the way he just pops off rhymes in rapid succession and yet he still manages to neatly assort every syllable into a clever metaphor and maintain a crystal-clear flow all at once - can you imagine the kinda breath control it takes to do shit like that?  How many other MCs' can you name (Pac included) that would be able to pull off those kinds of verbal acrobatics without tripping themselves up and degenerating into adlibing and mumbling?

Pac was, however, vastly superior to Biggie as a lyricist.  And Biggie could be an incredible storyteller, but Pac's charisma and mic presence were second to none.  When Pac rapped, he didn't need to draw me in with complex flows and wordplay - he just wowed me with the raw emotion and introspectiveness that marked almost every verse.  And of course, he had that distinctive God-like voice that made you think you were really hearing a street prophet in the flesh.  Even when he was saying shit that cliched or not all that profound, Pac's personality just radiated from every bar - there are so few other rappers that had his mic presence.

Personally, I've always liked Pac better, but I ain't gonna deny that Biggie was ill as fuck.
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2006, 06:30:58 PM »



and, you'd rather have a wall-eyed jabba the hut spittin lyrics with a cheeseburger in his mouth than a Westsider Rider?
this is one of the dumbest things i have ever read on here.  Just the fact you base a rapper on his looks is suspect. 
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2006, 07:29:09 PM »
#2, he's one of the best ever to bless the mic... but for me, 2pac is #1 for the simple fact that he was an activist and used his talent as a voice for millions apart of the struggle.  that alone solidifies him for the #1 spot.
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2006, 03:21:55 AM »
1.Jay-Z
2.Biggie
3.Tupac
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This is basically it...Tupac had the best lyrics but his flow is average, Biggie has the best flow but his lyrics weren't always top notch, Jay-Z has pretty much the total package, he has a sick flow and can rhyme with the best of them, but it's just my opinion, no need to hate
Sorry but if that is you top 3 I recommend you to listen to some Ghostface, GZA, E-40, Outkast, Nas etc. etc.
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2006, 11:09:25 AM »
1.Jay-Z
2.Biggie
3.Tupac
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This is basically it...Tupac had the best lyrics but his flow is average, Biggie has the best flow but his lyrics weren't always top notch, Jay-Z has pretty much the total package, he has a sick flow and can rhyme with the best of them, but it's just my opinion, no need to hate
Sorry but if that is you top 3 I recommend you to listen to some Ghostface, GZA, E-40, Outkast, Nas etc. etc.
You just named some of my favorite rappers in the game, I am aware of their abilities but to me Jay-Z is the ultimate rapper

 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2006, 12:52:38 PM »
good but overrated.

i would say overrated when comparing him to pac or saying that he's the best ever. his voice and flow is so smooth and he was a great stroy teller but i think he went to early and that limited his longevity in the game and that hurts his stake as the greatest ever. a top 10 IMO.
Agree. My main problem with BIG is he only had one classic album. For him to be called GOAT or even put in top five off one classic album despite his influence in his short years is crazy to me. Rakim, BDK, G Rap, Pac, Scarface, Cube-I could never put BIG over those guys based off catalogue and I am talkin quality not quantity.

Co-sign RBXtra's post on the differences, strength, and weaknesses of Pac and BIG. Personally BIG is in my top 20.

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2006, 03:08:37 PM »
What the hell is wrong with the people on this forum? Have you ever paid attention to what 2Pac brought to the table as what's seen as his most successful cd of all time, All Eyez On Me? That CD had some good beats and it was like real smooth, but the raps were rather simple and I dare calling them weak. How some of you label it "common sense" that 2Pac should be above Biggie at any time, is beyond me.

To me, with Ready To Die Biggie proved that he's one of the smoothest rappers of all time. No one could rhyme like that. It wasn't extremely complicated, in fact his style was rather simple, but it was so effective. That album has to be (one of) the greatest gangsterrap album(s) of all time. At least, to me it really is without a doubt. Life After Death does have some great songs on it, but it has way too many average tracks and even some filler material, to be even considered a classic. But with that in the back of my mind, 2Pac just couldn't see Biggie when it comes to rapping ability. Pac just had the charisma, he made himself loved by saying some semi-thoughtful things later on on his records. To me, even someone like Killah Priest belongs way above 2Pac on "the list". 2Pac just wasn't a very good rapper.

Biggie: maybe top 5, but certainly top 10
2Pac: somewhere top 30.

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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2006, 03:35:32 PM »
What the hell is wrong with the people on this forum? Have you ever paid attention to what 2Pac brought to the table as what's seen as his most successful cd of all time, All Eyez On Me? That CD had some good beats and it was like real smooth, but the raps were rather simple and I dare calling them weak. How some of you label it "common sense" that 2Pac should be above Biggie at any time, is beyond me.

To me, with Ready To Die Biggie proved that he's one of the smoothest rappers of all time. No one could rhyme like that. It wasn't extremely complicated, in fact his style was rather simple, but it was so effective. That album has to be (one of) the greatest gangsterrap album(s) of all time. At least, to me it really is without a doubt. Life After Death does have some great songs on it, but it has way too many average tracks and even some filler material, to be even considered a classic. But with that in the back of my mind, 2Pac just couldn't see Biggie when it comes to rapping ability. Pac just had the charisma, he made himself loved by saying some semi-thoughtful things later on on his records. To me, even someone like Killah Priest belongs way above 2Pac on "the list". 2Pac just wasn't a very good rapper.

Biggie: maybe top 5, but certainly top 10
2Pac: somewhere top 30.

Don't hate, it's just my opinion that I'm sharing. Peace.

Homie, if your sole excuse for ranking Pac so low is "All Eyez On Me", you best check yourself right now.  "All Eyez On Me" is overrated and FAR from Pac's best work, but even on that album, he was still extremely dope.  However, "Me Against The World" is the album that should be used to judge Pac...THAT album is his claim to fame as one of hip-hop's greatest.  If you ain't heard that yet, then you best not speak another word (somebody has it in the hookup spot, BTW).  And you claim that he only said "some semi-thoughtful things later on on his records"?  You must not listen to Pac at all if that's what you think.

Also, there's many ways of defining a great rapper.  Biggie was a better MC than Pac, I've said that, but Pac was a better lyricist, and quite possibly a better rapper overall.
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2006, 03:37:46 PM »
2Pac: somewhere top 30.

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2006, 03:42:59 PM »
all eyez on me is def overrated. IMO Me against the world and Makaveli the don were better albums.
 

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2006, 03:46:52 PM »
all eyez on me is def overrated. IMO Me against the world and Makaveli the don were better albums.

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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2006, 03:48:13 PM »
all eyez on me is def overrated. IMO Me against the world and Makaveli the don were better albums.

The Makaveli album is also overrated, IMO.  It's got some hot diss tracks, but not a lot else, and most of the production is weak.  I bought that album the week it came out back in '96 and I was disappointed with it.  And then I bought the Remastered edition about two years ago after I lost my original copy, and I'm still not feeling it...I actually prefer "All Eyez On Me" over "The 7-Day Theory".
 

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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2006, 09:15:24 PM »
i like feel bad sayin i dont really feel biggie cause EVERYONE gives him just crazy props. But in all honesty i always preffered tupacs flow. I think biggies is boring and unoriginal  and although tupac always has the same flow its original and it always sounds good. I always found biggies rhymes and lyrics lazy and extremely simple, and yeah tupac isnt the best emcee but  like everyones said between his voice, charisma, and what he says, it doesnt matter. No one else on earth can pull off being an only average emcee and having just about everybody love his music. And its not like i hate biggie, cause his verse on notorious thugz and the song juicy are two of my favorite of all rappers, but someone show me an example of his incredible metaphors and rhymes cause neither of his cd's impressed me aside from a few songs. i would say biggie is top 20 objectively, but personal favorties for me itd be lower cause theres just so many rappers ide rather listen to.
 

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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2006, 09:58:45 PM »
I think biggies is boring and unoriginal.  I always found biggies rhymes and lyrics lazy and extremely simple, 
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and yeah tupac isnt the best emcee but like everyones said between his voice, charisma, and what he says, it doesnt matter. No one else on earth can pull off being an only average emcee and having just about everybody love his music.
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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2006, 10:02:37 PM »
What the hell is wrong with the people on this forum? Have you ever paid attention to what 2Pac brought to the table as what's seen as his most successful cd of all time, All Eyez On Me? That CD had some good beats and it was like real smooth, but the raps were rather simple and I dare calling them weak. How some of you label it "common sense" that 2Pac should be above Biggie at any time, is beyond me.

To me, with Ready To Die Biggie proved that he's one of the smoothest rappers of all time. No one could rhyme like that. It wasn't extremely complicated, in fact his style was rather simple, but it was so effective. That album has to be (one of) the greatest gangsterrap album(s) of all time. At least, to me it really is without a doubt. Life After Death does have some great songs on it, but it has way too many average tracks and even some filler material, to be even considered a classic. But with that in the back of my mind, 2Pac just couldn't see Biggie when it comes to rapping ability. Pac just had the charisma, he made himself loved by saying some semi-thoughtful things later on on his records. To me, even someone like Killah Priest belongs way above 2Pac on "the list". 2Pac just wasn't a very good rapper.

Biggie: maybe top 5, but certainly top 10
2Pac: somewhere top 30.

Don't hate, it's just my opinion that I'm sharing. Peace.

Homie, if your sole excuse for ranking Pac so low is "All Eyez On Me", you best check yourself right now.  "All Eyez On Me" is overrated and FAR from Pac's best work, but even on that album, he was still extremely dope.  However, "Me Against The World" is the album that should be used to judge Pac...THAT album is his claim to fame as one of hip-hop's greatest.  If you ain't heard that yet, then you best not speak another word (somebody has it in the hookup spot, BTW).  And you claim that he only said "some semi-thoughtful things later on on his records"?  You must not listen to Pac at all if that's what you think.

Also, there's many ways of defining a great rapper.  Biggie was a better MC than Pac, I've said that, but Pac was a better lyricist, and quite possibly a better rapper overall.
^Exactly. Co-sign the entire post. "Some semi-thoughtful records"? 2pac top 30? ::) He must be hittin that crack pipe cuz Pac been spittin thoughtful lyrics his entire career. BTW add Makaveli along wiith MATW to judge Pac.

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Re: where do y'all put biggy among the greatest?
« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2006, 10:04:46 PM »
all eyez on me is def overrated. IMO Me against the world and Makaveli the don were better albums.

The Makaveli album is also overrated, IMO.  It's got some hot diss tracks, but not a lot else, and most of the production is weak.  I bought that album the week it came out back in '96 and I was disappointed with it.  And then I bought the Remastered edition about two years ago after I lost my original copy, and I'm still not feeling it...I actually prefer "All Eyez On Me" over "The 7-Day Theory".
^Damn you thought most of the production on Makaveli was weak...what about songs like Blasphemy, Me and My Girlfriend, Hold Ya Head, Krazy, Hail Mary, and To Live And Die In LA?
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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2006, 05:00:58 AM »
all eyez on me is def overrated. IMO Me against the world and Makaveli the don were better albums.

The Makaveli album is also overrated, IMO.  It's got some hot diss tracks, but not a lot else, and most of the production is weak.  I bought that album the week it came out back in '96 and I was disappointed with it.  And then I bought the Remastered edition about two years ago after I lost my original copy, and I'm still not feeling it...I actually prefer "All Eyez On Me" over "The 7-Day Theory".
 

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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2006, 06:26:21 AM »
^Damn you thought most of the production on Makaveli was weak...what about songs like Blasphemy, Me and My Girlfriend, Hold Ya Head, Krazy, Hail Mary, and To Live And Die In LA?

With the exception of the last two songs, I wasn't really feeling a lot of those beats.  Darryl Harper and Hurt-M-Badd just aren't that good.  Pac should've at least worked more with QD3 and Johnny J on that record, cause even tho they ain't great either, they tended to bring out his best.
 

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« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2006, 07:46:52 AM »
I've heard all of 2Pac's discography and I own some of his albums. Me Against The World is a nice album, but to me it's nothing more than that. It's just that I most recently listened to AEOM and it just totally sucked for me. I never really liked his Makaveli album, I've always found that one amazingly overhyped. Other than that... 2Pac was nice early on in his career, but not really suspenseful. Later on he seemed to catch up on depth a little, but he got boring for me. His flow (he inhales through half of the words) and rhymes are weak. Don't believe the hype!