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Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« on: November 26, 2006, 11:39:11 PM »
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-11-26T225208Z_01_N26404107_RTRUKOC_0_US-VENEZUELA-ELECTION-CHAVEZ.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

He's telling his people ""On December 3 we're going to defeat the most powerful empire on earth by knockout."

It's complete madness.  And this is what annoys me the most about the leftist supports of Chavez.  The guy is every bit as manipulative as Bush.

He should be talking about social issues, economic issues, political freedoms, etc.

But instead he talks about "beating the Americans."  As if he is actually doign anything to us.

But the issue resonates with the people.  It helps him deflect the other issues.

He uses Bush just like Bush uses 9/11.  And frankly its obnoxious that so many morons support this guy.

 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 05:19:17 AM »
....polticians always spin shit at elections, it what they do, but Chavez IS standing up to the US by not selling out,

by keeping the oil and the economy nationalised he is saving his country from slavery to US companies.


South America needs this revolution.


Don't hate, congratulate.
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 07:14:54 AM »
buy Citgo gas... VIVA CHAVEZ!!!
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 08:51:33 AM »
yes, it's a revolution. a private gas revolution. what a guy
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 09:07:27 AM »
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 09:10:35 AM »
South America needs this revolution.

Don't hate, congratulate.
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 11:17:00 AM »
....polticians always spin shit at elections, it what they do, but Chavez IS standing up to the US by not selling out,

by keeping the oil and the economy nationalised he is saving his country from slavery to US companies.


South America needs this revolution.


Don't hate, congratulate.

You don't know what you are talking about.  He's selling their oil at below market prices when desired to solidify his own political power.

 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 12:27:50 PM »
....polticians always spin shit at elections, it what they do, but Chavez IS standing up to the US by not selling out,

by keeping the oil and the economy nationalised he is saving his country from slavery to US companies.


South America needs this revolution.


Don't hate, congratulate.

You don't know what you are talking about.  He's selling their oil at below market prices when desired to solidify his own political power.




the same thing saudi arabia has been doing for decades to appease you americans?
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 12:44:32 PM »
^exactly but since this isnt an American politician everyone thinks its some special revolution, no the usual song and and dance. chavez is just gettin all preacher crazy with it and some dumb fucks here think he's a radical leader. talk about sheep, im a start a cult and enslave you bitches if all i have to do is talk like him
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 05:14:50 PM »
....polticians always spin shit at elections, it what they do, but Chavez IS standing up to the US by not selling out,

by keeping the oil and the economy nationalised he is saving his country from slavery to US companies.


South America needs this revolution.


Don't hate, congratulate.

You don't know what you are talking about.  He's selling their oil at below market prices when desired to solidify his own political power.




the same thing saudi arabia has been doing for decades to appease you americans?

^exactly but since this isnt an American politician everyone thinks its some special revolution, no the usual song and and dance. chavez is just gettin all preacher crazy with it and some dumb fucks here think he's a radical leader. talk about sheep, im a start a cult and enslave you bitches if all i have to do is talk like him

Why i gotta spell it out all the time?  It's called nationalisation you rockapes, using your country's resources for the benefit of your own country, as opposed to selling off the Amazon rainforest and the country's oil to US companies, resulting in poverty, pollution and a vibrant cocaine trade (so add violence and oppression).

Chavez is selling oil to South America's neighbours at cheaper prices than he does to US companies. So what? Tell me, why do you care? Call it regional co-operation if it makes you feel any better. Fuck wit me.


And for sum reason my karma has just fallen....shame on yall making bitch moves
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 05:17:39 PM »

God only knows, for some reason Chavez has become the devil in carnate lol, ask yourself thism is it better for the people of venezeula to be living under Chavez who has made noticeable differences to the overwhelmingly large % of the country which is very poor or for them to be living under a military dictatorship who was installed by the CIA as a puppet, the answer is obvious.
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 10:15:47 PM »
....polticians always spin shit at elections, it what they do, but Chavez IS standing up to the US by not selling out,

by keeping the oil and the economy nationalised he is saving his country from slavery to US companies.


South America needs this revolution.


Don't hate, congratulate.

You don't know what you are talking about.  He's selling their oil at below market prices when desired to solidify his own political power.




the same thing saudi arabia has been doing for decades to appease you americans?

^exactly but since this isnt an American politician everyone thinks its some special revolution, no the usual song and and dance. chavez is just gettin all preacher crazy with it and some dumb fucks here think he's a radical leader. talk about sheep, im a start a cult and enslave you bitches if all i have to do is talk like him

Why i gotta spell it out all the time?  It's called nationalisation you rockapes, using your country's resources for the benefit of your own country, as opposed to selling off the Amazon rainforest and the country's oil to US companies, resulting in poverty, pollution and a vibrant cocaine trade (so add violence and oppression).

Chavez is selling oil to South America's neighbours at cheaper prices than he does to US companies. So what? Tell me, why do you care? Call it regional co-operation if it makes you feel any better. Fuck wit me.


And for sum reason my karma has just fallen....shame on yall making bitch moves
 :grumpy:

i dont know what ur talkin about homey but after his re election see how the revolution continues to benefit his ppl and get back to us
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 07:57:01 AM »

Under Chavez there is the very real possibility that Venezuela will become another Cuba (no ballllinnnn, less freedom, more equality, healthier more educated people) thats the most negative scenario. Apart from that, nationalising your oil is already very revolutionary and dangerous considering Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc, etc, have all been the target of CIA/US military action to keep oil under US control.

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 08:00:26 AM »
he's another scumbag politician, not a hero
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 08:32:25 AM »
He may sling pathetic insults at Bush and get hyped up over Castroism, its all publicity and image making, behind that he is a scumbag making some good moves. For that id rather congratulate, then hate.
 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 10:45:38 AM »

If he is a scu,bag policitian then god only knows what that makes those politicians and elites who are trying to push us to the brink of world war 3. Also no one can of course predict the future but lets not forget this is a man who encourages people to know their constitution Bush has been cited as referring to the american constitution as a peace of paper. Before Chavez came to power there was no private owned television channel he welcomes oppoisition to himself so for now at least they are enjoying more freedom, sure at the end of it he may be doing it for personal gain, for his ego or whatever else but utlimately the venezeulan people are better off under him than a puppet regime, they would know since they have been subjected to that bullshit many times before. Also how can you describe Chavez' outbursts as pathetic the CIA have launched failed coups against him, influential figures have appeared on american television talking about assasinating this man, yeah I am not surprised he is pissed lol.
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 03:30:15 PM »
he's another scumbag politician, not a hero

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 03:34:54 PM »

If he is a scu,bag policitian then god only knows what that makes those politicians and elites who are trying to push us to the brink of world war 3. Also no one can of course predict the future but lets not forget this is a man who encourages people to know their constitution Bush has been cited as referring to the american constitution as a peace of paper. Before Chavez came to power there was no private owned television channel he welcomes oppoisition to himself so for now at least they are enjoying more freedom, sure at the end of it he may be doing it for personal gain, for his ego or whatever else but utlimately the venezeulan people are better off under him than a puppet regime, they would know since they have been subjected to that bullshit many times before. Also how can you describe Chavez' outbursts as pathetic the CIA have launched failed coups against him, influential figures have appeared on american television talking about assasinating this man, yeah I am not surprised he is pissed lol.

This is your problem.  If its a liberal idea you look for all the positives.  A conservative one you look for all the negatives.

If Chavez supported Bush you'd cite all the nonsense he's doing to show why we should hate him.  Since he's a "socialist" you only look for the good. 

You don't evaluate things consistently.  Chavez politics very much resembles Bush's.  Where Bush exploits 9/11 to gain votes.  Chavez exploits Bush.

I used to think positively of Chavez until I went to Venezuela and heard many common sense explanations from the citizens of Venezuela about why he sucks.  And how he is manipulative of the poor to win votes.  Just like Bush manipulates the evangelicals. 

He's just another dickhead politician.  Not some savior.  If you want to respect some of his socialist inclinations so be it, but you're a fool if you think him a hero.



 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 03:51:22 PM »
Again you are deliberately distorting what I am saying I clarified my views on him as you very well know, I do not see him as a hero and I have simply pointed out the good things he has done, sure socialism has his it's own trappings and time will tell what happens but the people right now are better off with him than a military dictatorship that is a fact. Your point is bizarre, of course I am going to agree with him being against Bush I have lost count of the number of acts of pure criminality which the administration has blatantly carried out. See this is what you do you will continue on this path of you leftists supporting Chavez because it's not american. I don't have a problem with that, some of your points are valid but yet when Palosi who had been on record many times before, promising to impeach Bush yet she then turns out full circle and reveals what a lying bitch she really is by saying no impeachment and then in tandem they all say no impeachment. Yet that does not matter to you

Also you are deliberately insulting my intelligence most of what the neocons stand for has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with traditional conservative values, so for you to imply that I am against conservative polcies is factually incorrect. Traditional conservative values include, small government, not wide open borders, upholding the constitution, nationalism not globalism, non centralisation, power at a local level, soverignty not surrender to a union.... I agree with these they are common sense as far as I am concerned so for you imply I am against conservative policies is complete crap. In a previous post as you well know I responded to you when you asked so what is my ideology there is nothing contradictory about it.

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 04:09:40 PM »
You have engaged in Chavez worship many times.  Why do you keep coming to his defense?

Saying someone is better than the devil doesn't make them good.  Big deal.  By your logic we should support anything that is better than satan.  I don't really care who Chavez is better than.  I care about the hypocritical liberal worship of your average corrupt politician just because he bad-mouths bush.




 

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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2006, 04:14:08 PM »

No during the lengthy reply I sent you about Chavez and Venezeula I agreed and disagreed with you, as I just said socialism has it's own trappings. Also I do agree with something you had said before the government is a reflection of society, yes people have become used to a status quo and could never see past that so people have become apathetic, people don't read, people have become completely detached from politics which has allowed for the centralisation of power. Funnily enough if you agree with most traditional conservative values then you pretty much agree with my ideology, as there is nothing conservative about most people who are calling themselves conservative right now.
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2006, 08:13:28 PM »
I've come to realize there is no such thing as "traditional conservatism."  In fact my usage of the word is often misplaced - as is its usage by many others.  The reason is, conservatism has never been a well-defined ideology.  It's simply a desire to preserve the natural state of society. 

In fact the true difference between our ideology is that I prefer classical liberalism to modern liberalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Milton Friedman tried to explain this decades ago, but we're all too caught up in the conservative / liberal comparisons.  Both of these words are so poorly understood that their usage always leads to confusion.  Since we both mean different things when we say our interpret the same word. 

So I apologize for using the word conservative in this thread.  Instead of claiming you view all "conservative ideology" negatively it would have been more appropriate to say you value your own personal worldview excessively.  You don't criticize yourself enough frequently and often discount highly relevant opinion from opposing perspectives.

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That having been said your ideology is that of a modern liberal.  Not a traditional conservative (which is not a clearly define idea - traditional in regards to what era?).  Nor are you a classical liberal.



 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2006, 08:22:30 PM »
This tags really are pointless it's like the conservative and labour party in the UK, only low and behold there is no difference between the 2 parties. I think you will find "liberals" embrace the idea of no sovereignty, of "im a world citizen" of no borders and I am the complete opposite so there is no way i am liberal, whatever that really means.
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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2006, 09:41:22 PM »
Whatever you are your ideology is inconsistent and often wrong.

No one fits exactly into an ideology.  And I agree the usage of an ideology to describe a person is often inappropriate. 

Either way... I think you intentionally are distorting your stances to avoid criticism.   You keep shape shifting.  You say things that definitely align you with the extreme left.

Yet it's ironic that you want to label yourself "conservative," but you run away from the label "liberal."

But the issue is your ideology is inconsistent, whatever it is.  You hate bush but support a manipulative politician like chavez.  And you make excuses for liking him (i.e. he's better than the devil).  It seems ironic to me that you don't want to be associated with "the extreme left" or "modern liberalism" or "socialism" but you see people who adhere to those ideologies thru rose-colored glasses.  And see people who adhere to ideologies that could be labeled "classical liberal" "republican" or "libertarian" as being wholly wrong and/or evil. 

Perhaps the best label for you is "extreme left." The very far left democrats agree with you on almost everything.  They want Bush impeached at all costs.  They love Chavez.  They hate free trade.  They love unions and the minimum wage.  And they see conspiracies everywhere.  Isn't this how you feel?



 

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Re: Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2006, 09:53:45 PM »
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He may sling pathetic insults at Bush and get hyped up over Castroism, its all publicity and image making, behind that he is a scumbag making some good moves. For that id rather congratulate, then hate.

True.  To me hes someone wit a voice speaking for the voiceless.  Everybody saying how Bush is stupid and all that but nobodys In Power is really saying it except a couple poeple like Chavez.  For that i respect him.  Im not saying hes the greatest president or anything all im saying is that when he talks about Bush he is mostly right
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