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Ron Paul - FYI
« on: May 07, 2007, 09:29:23 PM »
Here's where Dr. Ron stands on lots of issues.  He's the realest candidate the USA has seen in 20 years.

WHY HE'S RUNNING:

I am arguing that (Republicans) have lost their way. Right now, on the surface, a lot of Republicans in Washington will be critical of my positions, saying "I don't support the president or the party," but if you look at our platform, our state platforms, our policy positions, I would say we have lost our way. And quite frankly, I have not seen anybody running for the presidency on the Republican ticket that's actually offering to stand up and stand for the principals the Republican Party has been built on.

In the past six years, when the foreign policy really changed, when we accepted the notion of pre-emptive war, a strong violation of our personal civil liberties, (we) at the same time (became) the party of entitlements, doubling the size of the Department of Education, McCain-Feingold. These are all things that Republicans used to criticize and not support, and all of a sudden we accept them. In essence, we have accepted what has traditionally been the Democratic platform -- increase entitlements and foreign intervention, getting involved in quagmires abroad.

IRAQ:

The president, if we are attacked or there is an imminent threat, has the authority to go to war. That's been clearly understood since the Constitution. ... The president, as commander in chief, can defend his country in times of emergency. But you know what? That has never happened in all these years. Even with the Soviet threat. ... Under today's conditions, the policy has significantly changed for the worse. That is, we now have established that our policy is to pre-emptively strike a country that has not attacked us and is not a threat to us. We just want to go in and have regime change.

We ought to look to the Constitution. ... We should only fight when there is a declaration of war, when there is an extreme circumstance. We should not have all options on the table to attack Iran when they don't have a weapon.

We shouldn't finance bad policy or unconstitutional war.


Ron Paul: A Conservative Study in Contrasts
IMMIGRATION:

The problem of illegal immigration is one of the top issues in this country. ... People are really, really disgusted with it. I think the immigration problem is in some ways a symptom. And my position is that if you subsidize something, you get more of it. And we subsidize and encourage illegal immigration. It started in the 1980s when amnesty was given after illegals came here.

Amnesty, ... I don't like that idea; I don't want to reward those who are already here. I don't think anybody has an easy answer about what to do with those who are already here. I think we ought to enforce the law, but what kind of an army would you need to round them up?

I also don't support a pathway to citizenship. They cannot get in the front of the line; I would not reward them in any way whatsoever.

I would also get rid of all the mandates from the federal government that say the states must provide free education, medical care and benefits to illegals. That is another reason they bring their families over here.

I believe we should beef up the borders, and I believe it should be civilian, not military. I believe we shouldn't be worried about the border between North and South Korea after 50 years or about the border between Iraq and Syria. I mean, that's where all our money and personnel is going. I think we should bring the troops home and getting them out of the war mode and probably be using the resources … to beef up our borders without adding any cost to the budget.

SPENDING:

I don't think there is one single budget you can't cut. Politically, the easiest budget to cut is the overseas expenditures. And then you deal with other problems as time goes on. I certainly would not be signing a bill that would double the size of the DOE or increase the size of the entitlement system or a drug company-promoted prescription drug program. That's where we as Republicans have fallen down, and that is the reason our base was very unhappy last September.

TAXES:

We lived in this country a long time without income tax, but then we had limited government. I don't think we need an income tax. I promised my people I would do anything and everything I can to get rid of the income tax, to repeal the 16th Amendment, never vote to raise taxes and always vote to lower taxes. And it's been a popular position. My slogan at home has always been "the taxpayers' best friend," and most people like that regardless of what party they are in.

CAMPAIGN STRATEGY:

I felt good about every trip I have taken. We always pick up support and enthusiasm, … and the reception has been good. We don't have $100 million in the bank; we are not supported by wealthy special interests, so we are not polling. ... We actually wanted to limit the campaign to four or five early states, but the pressure is to have everybody together, so small candidates like myself are cut off before we get any traction whatsoever.

Republicans sometimes get intimidated that they have to follow the party instead of the platform and our promises in the Constitution. My job … is to make conservatives feel comfortable on any number of issues for really following through on what they believe in.

STEM CELL RESEARCH:

I think stem cell research is crucial and is very, very important. Medically, it has a great future. The answers aren't in yet, completely. Politicians and bureaucrats and the FDA don't know either. I don't think that's where it should be determined. I think it should be determined in the marketplace. In Washington, we've only had two choices. Either prohibit it or finance it. My position is we shouldn't do either. ... It should be up to the states to devise the rules and laws of what you can or can't do. ...

I am strongly pro-life, and the worst thing I can think of is to manufacture babies to be used for research. But as an obstetrician, I have on quite a few cases had to do surgery on a woman who had a pregnancy in the fallopian tube. The fetus is small and alive, but if you don't operate on them, the fetus dies and the patient dies. ... I don't see any reason why you can't use that fetal tissue for research.

GOLD STANDARD:

I don't exactly say, 'Let's go back to the gold standard,' and you may chuckle a little bit, … but the question has to be turned around. What is it that possesses anybody to think that governments, which (are) not trusted by anybody, should have the power to create money out of thin air and create runaway spending and allow the politicians to not worry about deficits in order to buy reelection? And allow them to police the world and allow them to provide all these big benefits? ... That is the most astounding philosophy in the world, and it has never worked, … and now we are in the process of a failing dollar. ... So, yes, I want to restore integrity to the money, not be a counterfeiter. My proposal is not to close the Federal Reserve down and go back to the 19th century, it's just to legalize that which the founders consider(ed) very important.

 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 01:49:48 AM »
Like I said, Jrome, I am very upset with you for supporting a right-wing cracker.  You get the chopper in the face for that shit, Uncle Tom.
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2007, 03:30:10 AM »
Jrome, do you know his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue? Is he in favor of our country's citizens having billions and billions of their tax dollars going to support the corrupt Israeli  regime? Or is he like almost every other presidential candidate of the present/past (exceptions like Kucinich come to mind) who refuse to take a stand, in fear that their campaign will become a lost cause?
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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2007, 03:51:51 AM »
I just read a few of his articles and his view seems to be one of non-intervention... that America should stop trying to police the world, and let people deal with their own shit.

I can respect that. I'm far from considering myself a conservative, but I do respect his views because of his reasons and justifications for his stances. He seems to follow an approach adhering strictly to the constitution... can't hate on a guy for that. But then again, I'm not too fond of all libertarian ideals.... to me some of their things are a little extreme... this may be an exaggerated hypothetical but I wouldn't want companies to end up owning roads and charging people to drive on them.

Overall though I must say he's better than most of the other candidates on the Republican side.
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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2007, 03:10:04 PM »
He wants to do away with the Fed., CIA and the Income tax. He wants to strengthen the failing dollar. He wants to do away with neo-conservatism.

Vote for Ron Paul in 08'
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2007, 06:20:37 PM »
Jrome, do you know his stance on the Israel-Palestine issue? Is he in favor of our country's citizens having billions and billions of their tax dollars going to support the corrupt Israeli  regime? Or is he like almost every other presidential candidate of the present/past (exceptions like Kucinich come to mind) who refuse to take a stand, in fear that their campaign will become a lost cause?

Hmm, I honestly don't know that answer but I'll see if I can't dig up something that would indicate his stance.  But like you said, he's VERY anti-interventionist, so I'd imagine that his primary stance would be to not stick his nose where it doesn't belong.  But outside of that, I don't know.

I just read a few of his articles and his view seems to be one of non-intervention... that America should stop trying to police the world, and let people deal with their own shit.

I can respect that. I'm far from considering myself a conservative, but I do respect his views because of his reasons and justifications for his stances. He seems to follow an approach adhering strictly to the constitution... can't hate on a guy for that. But then again, I'm not too fond of all libertarian ideals.... to me some of their things are a little extreme... this may be an exaggerated hypothetical but I wouldn't want companies to end up owning roads and charging people to drive on them.

Overall though I must say he's better than most of the other candidates on the Republican side.

Believe me, I've never considered myself conservative / liberal or republican / democrat.  Politically it's always been satan vs. satan for me.  And I can't underscore how difficult it is for me to watch these debates because I want to punch a hole through the screen out of both frustration and how sickening it is that people actually believe any of this shit.  But having read about Paul and being very intrigued by his ideology, I forced myself to watch it and he completely reinforced my initial perception of him. 

I've never even remotetly identified with any candidate until now.  Paul is unique - he's EXTREMELY consistent in his voting; more than any other candidate on the ticket.  He doesn't pander, he has clear and defined goals and sticks to them regardless.  He doesn't have multi-million dollar lobbyists padding his pockets to futher their agendas.

Here's a summary of his answers from the Republican Debate.  By the way, he was declared the winner:

<a href="http://youtube.com/v/t_oTzFMuU_M" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://youtube.com/v/t_oTzFMuU_M</a>
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2007, 10:35:02 PM »
I'll just be happy that Neo-Cons will be out
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2007, 10:46:31 PM »
He is defiantly one of the best candidates IMO. Wouldn't mind seeing him for president in '08. 8) Of course Bush will be gone so it's an automatic step up.
 

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2007, 10:53:15 PM »


this guy right here is who Paul reminds me of. Kucinich is the liberal version of him, just with a liberal slant. Reality is, even though both did great in the debates, neither will win. Get ready for Guiliani/Clinton, and as a Democrat, I'm voting Guiliani, because I hate monachies. My support, Obama, if you want real change, vote for someone who actually is real change.
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2007, 03:33:23 AM »
How high is the income tax in the US right now?
Cause I don't care where I belong no more
What we share or not I will ignore
And I won't waste my time fitting in
Cause I don't think contrast is a sin
No, it's not a sin
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 11:04:33 AM »
if i make 700$ a week the would take over 200$ of it. So yes abolishing it would make a huge difference.
 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 08:05:33 PM »
how is it possible to completely abolish income tax?

 

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2007, 08:18:22 PM »
I'll just be happy that Neo-Cons will be out

I agree, but if you think Romney / Guiliani is any different than say Obama / Clinton, you're mistaken.  All of them are playing the exact same game.

Ron Paul is the man who would "RIP THE PROVERBIAL FEDERAL SILVER SPOON" out of MANY mouths in Washington, and at all levels of government.  He is the epitome of all those movies you see where "you know something that the government doesn't want to get out so they try to "erase" you"...  only I'm serious.  He IS dangerous to all the waste, all the illegally funded programs, the war efforts, etc.   He is NOT what EITHER side of the present day federal government wants to see, which to me means he IS exactly what I want.

 

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Re: Ron Paul - FYI
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2007, 08:22:18 PM »
^^^^^ exactly why i am doing my part and spreading the word.
 

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2007, 08:25:26 PM »


this guy right here is who Paul reminds me of. Kucinich is the liberal version of him, just with a liberal slant. Reality is, even though both did great in the debates, neither will win. Get ready for Guiliani/Clinton, and as a Democrat, I'm voting Guiliani, because I hate monachies. My support, Obama, if you want real change, vote for someone who actually is real change.

Why concede so early on?  Because he's not endorsed or given fair airtime my mainstream media?  I'm sorry man, but FUCK THAT.  The internet is 1000x more powerful than any mainstream media shenanigans (which is why all these fake ass politicians want to control and regulate it).  Think about it - Ron Paul is ABC / NBC / CBS's worst nightmare because he is proof that people can get the TRUTH about America and The World without going through a middle man w/ an agenda.

If you think America is in an INCREDIBLY dangerous and potentially fatal situation (which it is), Ron Paul is the answer, imo.  Spread the word man and don't concede defeat.