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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #150 on: September 19, 2007, 06:10:16 AM »
What? doesn't iPhone have mms either ?

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #151 on: September 19, 2007, 06:24:34 AM »
What? doesn't iPhone have mms either ?



NOPE!
But,then again how often do you use MMS?






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Nokia's N94i to run Windows Mobile OS, not Symbian? Er, No.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/14/nokias-n94i-to-run-windows-mobile-not-symbian/

Believe everything you see? Good, then this is an unannounced Nokia N94i running the Windows Mobile (not Symbian) operating system. We have no way of knowing for sure, but that looks like an engineering prototype Chinese knockoff of something which has gone up for auction somewhere on this great blue planet. According to the listed specs, we're looking at a touchscreen (with stylus) multimedia device synonymous with the N-Series packing a 2 megapixel camera, speakerphone, Bluetooth 2.0 and MicroSD expansion. It's also listed as a dual-sim device with quad-band GSM support. Of course, Microsoft has been slowly making in-roads into Nokia handsets for several months with Nokia's purchase of Intellisync and the recent announcement to integrate Windows Live services into some Nokia handsets. Still, WinMo on Nokia... are we dreaming, or is that "WinXP.jpg" an indicator of something more foolish?


You will find images of N94i here;
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/14/nokias-n94i-to-run-windows-mobile-not-symbian/

Can´t find any images to post,if you can find any post them here.



looks like a cheap chineese knock off lol



Yeah,and the specs was a little off.
N94 with only 2MP camera and no 3G? Strange....
...and the design looks like the old Nokia 7650


But there´s rumors that Nokia and/or SE might release a windows phone.
Time will tell.....



Found some more info about the new N-Gage phones´s
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Nokia N-Gage V2
http://www.handcellphone.com/archives/nokia-n-gage-v2-gaming-cell-phone-will-be-launched-in-first-quarter-of-2007




Nokia N-Gage gaming cell phone was definitely a big failure for Nokia. There were too many complaints about the gaming devices. Bad controllers and too limited choice of games are the biggest problems that cause Nokia N-Gage to be a big joke in gaming industry.
However, Nokia doesn't give up the lucrative mobile gaming industry. According to the spokesman of Nokia, Nokia is back with the new redesigned N-Gage V2 gaming cell phone which will be loaded with EA Mobile and Gameloft popular games.
According to Gregg Saute, the spokesman of Nokia, the new N-Gage V2 will be on sales in the first quarter of 2007. He also mentioned that the Nokia N-Gage V2 comes equipped with faster processor and better graphic card for 3D image processing. There isn't any details about the specifications of the processor and graphic card.
However, one thing for sure is the Nokia N-Gage V2 supports WLAN and 3G networks which mean you can download games faster and play multiplayer games with your friends through fast speed WLAN or 3G networks.

The question whether N-Gage V2 will be a success for Nokia still unknown, but the N-Gage V2 gaming cell phone is definitely a gadget that everybody is excited about.
 

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2007, 07:34:38 AM »
damn a lot of phones here are just amazing...gotta get a new one soon
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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #153 on: September 19, 2007, 07:41:16 AM »
I found these on youtube,must say they´re quite funny!


N95 vs. iphone - Camera
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/p6Q5QuhQzIE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/p6Q5QuhQzIE</a>

N95 vs. iphone - MMS
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KTNgTsq8l08" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/KTNgTsq8l08</a>

N95 vs. iphone - Ringtone
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Nqhwx2tb0WU" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Nqhwx2tb0WU</a>

N95 vs. iphone - Internet
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MwrE5UCUf7s" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/MwrE5UCUf7s</a>

N95 vs. iphone - GPS
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/GecftG1Kh7w" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/GecftG1Kh7w</a>

N95 vs. iphone - Battery
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/e1-8DpRNGNE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/e1-8DpRNGNE</a>

N95 vs. iphone: youtube
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/BrJp20O-tmE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/BrJp20O-tmE</a>

SMS Chat on N95
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Hktw5hm-fnM" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Hktw5hm-fnM</a>


Just Amazing


Cnet: Apple iPhone vs. Nokia n95! MUST SEE  Well,Iphone won this contest.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/trsDjosYukk" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/trsDjosYukk</a>


        User friendly UI or Features?



            Take your pick!











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Apple iPhone hits O2 in the UK on November 9th
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/18/apple-iphone-hits-o2-in-the-uk-on-november-9th/

Ending months of intense, practically insane speculation, Apple just confirmed its first European carrier for the iPhone: O2 is scoring exclusive UK rights to the hotly contested device, and will be launching it on November 9th for £269 including VAT. Unlimited data comes standard with the £35, £45 and £55 voice plans, which include 200, 600 and 1200 minutes, respectively, and 200 SMS for the cheapest plan, but 500 messages for the other two. Just like the rumors (finally) predicted, Carphone Warehouse is being pulled in to beef up retail presence for O2, with 1300 retail locations, each with an "expert" on the iPhone. Naturally, Apple's not doing anything fancy here, and is announcing the same old EDGE phone we know and love here in the States -- shattering the 2007 3G pipe dreams of millions of Europeans -- but has made up for it slightly by scoring free WiFi for O2 iPhone users at the 7,500 hotspots serviced by Cloud in the UK. Those hotspots will certainly come in handy when trapesing through O2's EDGE-deficient network -- only 30% of the country will be covered by launch time. Of course, if you aren't keen on Visual Voicemail or Apple's blessing, there are certainly plenty of unlocked iPhones to be had between now and launch.


Iphone´s UI on Symbian UIQ 3.0 (SE M600)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/k0MqPMMBUqQ&amp;autoplay=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/k0MqPMMBUqQ&amp;autoplay=0</a>

Iphone´s UI on Symbian S60 3.1 (N95)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RRXXxf053do" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/RRXXxf053do</a>

Nokia previews iPhone-like user interface
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1xSdOQmhCpQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/1xSdOQmhCpQ</a>



funny to see all the imitations..lol

we knew they were coming... but nothing is like the real thing.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/YgW7or1TuFk" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/YgW7or1TuFk</a>

just amazing


I don´t know if you noticed it,but those Iphone UI´s for Symbian is made by fans/haters not Symbian.


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GDesk by FiendSoft
http://my-symbian.com/uiq3/software/applications.php?fldAuto=175&faq=3

GDesk is a customizable and extendable desktop system. Icons can be placed on the desktop representing applications, page links and plug-ins; these can then be launched by tapping them. Plug-ins can be added at any time and as required; further plug-in functionality will be provided over time.

Got an Symbian UIQ phone and want Iphone´s UI or Windows Mobile,why don´t you make your own UI?
Well,you can do it yourself just hit this link and download the tools;

http://my-symbian.com/uiq3/software/applications.php?fldAuto=175&faq=3
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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2007, 08:18:24 AM »
those iphone vs n95 video was funny!  8)
 

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2007, 10:35:18 AM »
What? doesn't iPhone have mms either ?
NOPE!
But,then again how often do you use MMS?

I don't use it quite often, but it's good to have....

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2007, 04:26:05 PM »
those iphone vs n95 video was funny!  8)

Yeah,some people act like Iphone is the first phone that could do this or that.
Symbian and Windows Mobile had all that shit years ago.
Another funny fact;
The web-browser that comes with Symbian S60 3.1 is Safari,yes I said it Safari,so Symbian S60 3.1 user can use Iphone´s infamous online applications,games and their widgets. That´s right,but Safari sucks,sorry to say it EJ.Rizo,that´s why we use Opera,the best web browser any format.


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"Safari" on N95 only found a European Video.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/rEIs8KtT0yQ&amp;autoplay=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/rEIs8KtT0yQ&amp;autoplay=0</a>
http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/03/safari-based-browser-coming-to-nokia-n800.html

Just when we’ve got Mozilla browser engine, Sand-labs.org announced the OWB (Origyn Web Browser) - Webkit based browser is about to hit the Nokia N800. The built in Opera was just not good enough for handling complex JavaScripts (i.e. AJAX), but then again the current release of Mozilla engine is still buggy and I find my N800 crashing whenever more complex page is loading in the browser.

Will Origyn Web Browser bring something new to the table? According to several sources around the web, WebKit, which is used in Apple’s Safari is known to outperform other browsers on low powered machines. For instance, Nokia is using WebKit code for its S60 browser for years, and people love it!

At this stage, Sand-Labs is still working on bugs, but hopefully soon enough we’ll have another browser available for N800, and… following the keyboard and scrolling, we’ll be one step closer to turn our N800s into iPhones… No, I don’t want to do that!



What? doesn't iPhone have mms either ?
NOPE!
But,then again how often do you use MMS?

I don't use it quite often, but it's good to have....


True,I was just saying.... that´s not exactly the most important feature.
You got to look at the bigger picture,Iphone is "missing" a lot of features,some of them like the MMS and Bluetooth issue will hopefully be fixed with future software updates.
What Iphone got,is a user friendly UI
and it syncs(music,contacts,notes,calender,bookmarks and what not) automaticly with your Mac,
so does Windows Mobile phones if you got a Windows computer.

All this drama around Iphone is hilarious,it´s just hype and the hype killed it.
Fuck hype,buy whatever suits your needs.







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Neonode N2 - the intuitive phone
http://www.neonode.se/en-gb/products/

Neonode N2 is designed for advanced simplicity. Forget about all old touch screens with stylus and pressure and enjoy a new breed, the optical touch screen. You do everything on-screen, simple and convenient with just one finger. It’s truly easy and intuitive to use. To make it convenient and fast to access all features and content of the device, we also designed our own user interface. It has a similar structure to a PC, but without deep and complex menus.


The smallest "Smart Phone" in the world Check the video!
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/2len4yAnwmc" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/2len4yAnwmc</a>

Optical touch screen

Forget about all old touch screens with stylus or hard pressure and enjoy the new breed, the optical touch screen. You sweep over and tap the screen to access the different features. When you want to call or send an SMS you enter the numbers and letters directly on-screen. Everything is easy to do with just one hand.
 
Easy user interface

To maximize the use of the fast optical touch screen we designed the user interface. Easy to learn and easy to use, it’s intuitive. To access your menu from the start page you sweep from the bottom left and up and the menu appears. Now you can tap the icons to choose what you want to access and you will access it right away.

If you sweep from bottom and up in the middle of the start page you access the keypad to enter the number to call or the text of an SMS. A sweep from the bottom and up at the right side of the start page gives you access to the tools bar. For more information about the user interface and how to use it together with the optical touch screen, see the Users guide in the Support section.
 
 
Upgradeable platform

Our mobile devices are in a way more like small PC´s than advanced mobile phones. It’s more of an open platform that you can fill with the software and features you want to have. If you want, you can develop your own software or download third party applications available on the Internet.

We also regularly release software updates that you can upgrade your device with free of charge.
 
 
PC Connectivity

The device can operate in two different modes while connected to a computer via USB-cable, either in phone mode or as a USB disk. When turned on, it operates in phone mode. Turned off, it operates as a USB disk.

When you connect your device to a computer in phone mode you can, by using ActiveSync from Microsoft, synchronize the calendar and address book with Outlook. When you connect your device to a computer as a USB disk, it will appear on your computer as a Removable disk and you can transfer files quick and easy as well as download updates from our website. The PC connectivity also works via Bluetooth.

Information

Name:
Neonode N2
Storage:
MiniSD card
User interface:
Neno user interface
Applications:
MP3 Player (MP3, WMA, Wav), Calendar and Address book synchronized using ActiveSync
Telephony:
GSM Quad band 850, 900, 1800 and 1900 MHz bands, GPRS
Messaging:
SMS and MMS
Bluetooth:
OBEX, Headset, FTP profiles supported
LCD:
2,0” (176x220 pixels) color display. 65K colors
Audio:
Stereo sound in headphones, Mono loudspeaker, Vibration engine
Image:
2 Mega pixel Fixed Focus Camera, Still pictures, Video play-back (MPEG, WMV)
Dimensions:
47x77x14,7 mm (WxHxT) Weight: Approx 60 grams
 








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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #157 on: September 19, 2007, 07:35:16 PM »
iphone will sync with your PC too not just mac... but you use outlook or outlook express to sync with it... works well i seen it.

and i doubt that safari on symbian is anything like safari on iphone..

i love safari the browser i use on my mac and phone now.

but not on a pc... at work i use firefox
 

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #158 on: September 19, 2007, 08:39:44 PM »
iphone will sync with your PC too not just mac... but you use outlook or outlook express to sync with it...
works well i seen it and i doubt that safari on symbian is anything like safari on iphone..
i love safari the browser i use on my mac and phone now.
but not on a pc... at work i use firefox


Well,the Safari browser on Symbian is a little annoying,
I don´t know if you have tried Opera Mini Beta 4.0?(it´s not out yet,but you can test it)
Opera(mini) "copied" some of the traits on the Safari browser like the zoom and having a couple of pages open at the same time. The standard Opera browser for smart phones can do all this with no problem,but I actually prefer Opera Mini 3.X. So I wont upgrade to the new version.
Back to the Safari browser,since most screens that run on Symbian S60 is smaller than the Iphone screen and the online applications,games and widgets is optimized for Iphone´s screen size,you got to scroll.
But then again "we" don´t need to use those online solutions.

Of course the Iphone will sync with Windows if you install the sync cd and as you said it syncs with outlook,
so will Symbian phones do to,but it doesn´t go automatic like it would do with a
Apple computer with a Apple phone or a Windows phone with a Windows computer.
Like you said before; intergration is the key word.
When you plug in a Windows phone(via USB) to your Windows computer everything goes automatic,
you don´t have to install any cd or start any programs everything goes automatic.
I assume it does the same with Iphone and a Apple computer(?).




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Opera Mobile™
http://www.opera.com/img/products/mobile/campaign/topbanner_03.gif

Opera is the fastest, most secure browser available for Symbian and Windows mobile handsets.
Go to the mobile download page to get Opera on your device.
Go to the mobile download page to see if your phone is supported.
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/

Note; Some Symbian phones has Opera web browser pre-installed.


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Opera Mini for "simple" JAVA phone´s
http://www.operamini.com/


All your favorite Web sites now fit on your phone. Check your email, check your friends' blogs, or just check out the daily dish. Download Opera Mini to get any Web site, anywhere, any time.
Quick download of Opera Mini 3.1
www.mini.opera.com/app

Note; Works on "smart" phones as well.



 

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #159 on: September 20, 2007, 03:10:55 AM »

What? doesn't iPhone have mms either ?
NOPE!
But,then again how often do you use MMS?

I don't use it quite often, but it's good to have....


True,I was just saying.... that´s not exactly the most important feature.
You got to look at the bigger picture,Iphone is "missing" a lot of features,some of them like the MMS and Bluetooth issue will hopefully be fixed with future software updates.
What Iphone got,is a user friendly UI
and it syncs(music,contacts,notes,calender,bookmarks and what not) automaticly with your Mac,
so does Windows Mobile phones if you got a Windows computer.

All this drama around Iphone is hilarious,it´s just hype and the hype killed it.
Fuck hype,buy whatever suits your needs.


Yeah, that's why I'm sticking to SE, and will wait for the k850i






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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2007, 12:58:23 PM »
questiong to tusken Raider... why do you keep chaning the thread? its really wierd... seems like you are tryiing to group stuff. but its honestly way more confusing..lol..

 what happen to just going to the last post to see whats going on... right now im like why they hell does he keep bumpin that phone to the last post?..

anyway kinda annoying
 

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Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2007, 03:18:10 PM »
questiong to tusken Raider... why do you keep chaning the thread? its really wierd... seems like you are tryiing to group stuff. but its honestly way more confusing..lol..

 what happen to just going to the last post to see whats going on... right now im like why they hell does he keep bumpin that phone to the last post?..

anyway kinda annoying

Sorry,yes you´re right I try to "group"/organize stuff. Like to organize so one "convo" can be read all the way trough.
I bumped the Neonode phone post cause there was no reply´s on it. Did you check it out? Worlds smallest smart phone with touchscreen and it runs windows(not windows mobile),some kind of version of Windows XP like your phone runs some kind of version of OS X. I got some new shit coming in a minute,just got on the computer.



The information about the safari browser was a little incorect,you can read for yourself....
The web browser can access the online applications meant only for the Iphone that´s where I got confused,looks like it runs mozilla instead not Safari,I don´t use it I prefer Opera.

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"Safari" on N95 only found a European Video.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/rEIs8KtT0yQ&amp;autoplay=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/rEIs8KtT0yQ&amp;autoplay=0</a>
http://www.intomobile.com/2007/08/03/safari-based-browser-coming-to-nokia-n800.html

Just when we’ve got Mozilla browser engine, Sand-labs.org announced the OWB (Origyn Web Browser) - Webkit based browser is about to hit the Nokia N800. The built in Opera was just not good enough for handling complex JavaScripts (i.e. AJAX), but then again the current release of Mozilla engine is still buggy and I find my N800 crashing whenever more complex page is loading in the browser.

Will Origyn Web Browser bring something new to the table? According to several sources around the web, WebKit, which is used in Apple’s Safari is known to outperform other browsers on low powered machines. For instance, Nokia is using WebKit code for its S60 browser for years, and people love it!

At this stage, Sand-Labs is still working on bugs, but hopefully soon enough we’ll have another browser available for N800, and… following the keyboard and scrolling, we’ll be one step closer to turn our N800s into iPhones… No, I don’t want to do that!



Here you can read how I got the mix up,with comments from other readers;

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iPhone will be the first phone with a truly full-blown Web browser??!
Posted by Franklin at 02:07 PM | Categories: General
http://blogs.s60.com/browser/2007/06/iphone_will_be_the_first_phone_1.html


Hi, everyone, Franklin here -- my first post. Peter finally paid up :)

We're excited that iPhone will have the same browser as S60. There are over a dozen different mobile browsers in the market, most proprietary, all with different limitations and problems -- a web developer's nightmare. I can't even call it "browser wars" -- more like "browser mosh pit."

So our dream is that phone manufacturers everywhere will adopt the same open, full browser engine as we have, and to encourage that we've contributed code to open source. Open is good for everyone.

But when Harry McCracken writes in PC World, "[t]oday's demo was the most tangible proof yet that the iPhone will be the first phone with a truly full-blown Web browser" I have to squirm a little. Reality Distortion Field is powerful... must...not...submit....

You all know that Nokia shipped the first "truly full-blown Web browser" on a phone, back in March 2006. He even goes on to praise our browser in the next paragraph -- thanks, Harry!

But we had it first. So there.

Some of the coolest phones that have our full browser with Mini Map, Visual History and other nifty features are the Nokia Nseries Multimedia Computers. To date over 50 million S60 3rd Edition phones from Nokia, Samsung and LG have shipped! (About half of the 100 million S60 phones are 3rd Edition.)

All running the best web browser in the world ;)

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The lack of technical competence of the typical Symbian user never ceases to amaze me. This is the S60 site for gods sake. The browsers on Symbian & iPhone are NOT the same, based on the same code yes but you cannot do everything you can with a desktop brower on the S60 3rd browser. That is what the term 'Full Web Browser' refers to. The latest Opera is the only full browser for mobile devices other than iPhones. If you're going to write an article it usually does well to know what you're talking about.
Posted by: daedalia | August 6, 2007 04:47 AM

Hello!

Is it true that the iPhone does not have even FlashLite 1.0?

How about the security threat regarding Safari browser on the iPhone? Does that effect Safari based browsers on S60?

Best Regards!
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Posted by: Aron | July 3, 2007 07:46 AM

I have been a loyal Nokia phone user for some time now, but only because there used to be no better alternative, until now. If the iPhone, in reality, matches the elegance of the device shown in the twenty minute tutorial that Apple has recently posted on its site, then it totally blows away ANYTHING Nokia has from a SOFTWARE perspective.

I have both a E61 and a N-770 and neither come close to providing the ease of use promised by the iPhone. The "Moose on the table" is NOT that, sure, you can do the equivalent things or more on a Nokia device vs the iPhone (The brilliant Opera Mini beta being a recent excellent example, although it's still in beta and eats up all of the available RAM of the E61). The point is that it seems that you don't have to have a graduate degree at Geek University to actually productively use the full capabilities of the iPhone.

Apple has simply raised the bar,in my opinion, with their UI and Nokia's only hope is to leap ahead or be resigned to joining the commodity bin with Motorola, etc. I know that I plan to be kicking both my 770(which has NEVER worked reliably) and E61 (capable but a mess to configure, slow to respond UI, and with a browser prone to reboot the device on a regular basis -- and I do have the latest firmware, FYI) to the curb for the iPhone in the near future.

Sure, the iPhone will not be perfect, but Nokia is FAR from perfect, as well. I believe this round goes to Apple as the iPhone seems to have everything I currently desire on my phone (except the ability to use other carriers other than AT&T). I look forward to Nokia becoming more competitive in the future, but they need to focus on making a phone that is as much a delight to use as it is powerful.

I have seen the future and it is software. I sincerely hope that the iPhone will be a tremendous success, if only to force other mobile phone manufacturers like Nokia to wake up and realize that amateur hour is over. You and I deserve better.
Posted by: EarlS | June 24, 2007 12:55 AM

The browser is probably where the S60 gets closest to the apparent ease and intuitivity of the iPhone UI.

Just watch the product demo video the Apple site, and then HONESTLY say you are not at least somewhat impressed (by the UI in general, and to much lesser extent the browser).

N800 gets even closer in terms of the browser, but obviously is not a phone. Try getting to a embedded link on the S60 browser. How many clicks did you need? But that's just because the iPhone is TS of course.

One thing that S60 could do a LOT better (and the iPhone UI seems to do better): trust the USER. WHY WHY WHY every time I do something I have to CONFIRM. Delete a SMS. "Are you sure? Are you really sure?" Why not instead just delete and move the deleted message to a trash folder from which you can restore (e.g. within the next 24 hours after which it auto empties it)? Sorry to rant about a non-browser thing here though.. :)
Posted by: Viipottaja | June 23, 2007 08:17 AM

I am reading this with my N73. The browser almost never crashes. And after yesterday's fw update, the font color problem with black themes is also gone. The browser is really wonderful! Thank you!
Posted by: Jukka | June 16, 2007 01:58 AM

a) I'm also hoping the new browser will be downloadable, or in a firmware update for the N80 - this would be really great to see
b) All of the current Nxx devices are wowfully low in RAM. I have an N80 which frequently runs out when using the new browser, and usually end up using Opera mini instead.
Posted by: Nigel Jones | June 15, 2007 11:58 AM

I don't care about back ported browsers, I'd like my money back please.

Boom
Posted by: akBoom | June 15, 2007 09:54 AM

Yea, lack of RAM in Nokias devices is also driving me crazy since it renders the OSS browser useless.

PS: Did i ever say: We FP0 users want the FP1 browser backported! :)
Posted by: Robert | June 15, 2007 09:50 AM

You should stop giving this OSS browser away in devices that can't handle it. It almost never ever works on the N91-2, you guessed it; out of memory.

Why spoil your own reputation and give a product that can never work?

It's not like you are offering refunds for idiots like me who bought the phone, nor are you providing any support.

For people who have access to NSU, they can try and try to upgrade hoping something gets fixed; for the other poor souls you want them to get a ticket at the local nokia service centre, stand in a queue wait for an hour or two and have their fw updated?

Oh, and if something is wrong with the hw then you've got to leave the phone behind, without even talking to any tech person to find out what the problem could be and how long it would take to fix it.

Thanks but no thanks; there are other options available. If you're thinking why I am so mad; well I paid USD 600/- for a piece %^&* N91-2 which doesn't do what it says on the box and whose SW almost always (99% downtime) never works, should I praise it or Nokia? I got this because it was the only 8gb option back then. Well I've now got the iPhone and the SE walkman to choose from.

And don't tell me you are only the browser group and can't answer for others; you are NOKIA, you made my phone, I paid you money for it, your product doesn't work, your browser doesn't work. I'm not complaining to you about the whole load of other &*%$ that doesn't work.

Boom

PS: I am a Nokia loyalist, have never owned another brand since 1996 I think. I will probably replace my 9300i with the E90 but after thoroughly reviewing it. I will never ever make the mistake of buying a Nokia from the heart, I'll use my head.
Posted by: akBoom | June 15, 2007 07:56 AM

Apparently the iPhone browser will not be able to display Flash content, whereas the S60 FP1 browser CAN display Flash content. Surely that makes the S60 FP1 browser better than the iPhone one?

iPhone browser won't have Flash
www.intomobile.com/2007/06/14/apple-iphone-will-not-have-flash-support-wwdc.html

Demo of the 6110 (including a page in Flash at 3:48)
http://www.neoncherry.com/gadgetpictureshow/readarticle.php?article_id=24
Posted by: krisse | June 15, 2007 04:16 AM

so what about the rumor in late march that said the new brower will be available for fp0 users in one month timeframe? was it all a bad joke?
that would be very sad since im really really much waiting for a browser update for my N80IE. i mean its called internet edition and does perform worse now then other non-ie cheapo phones like 6290.
i hope you guys can push out dat browser.

stay with the browser and i will go for the iphone. its that simple. im sure apple has also built in loads of ram for a really nice web experience. not that crap like in n80 where you cant even open a simple page without the browser crashing.

dick, out n over
Posted by: dick | June 14, 2007 12:11 PM

Hello Everyone!

I must defend the S60 browser team and the S60 browser. I truly believe it was the first PC-compatible looking and usable browser through WLAN-s in phones.

You must see a 416x350 pixel device zoomed to 50% with a web page to understand what I am talking about. Try to reproduce that with any other mobile browser...

And about crashing... use the latest firmware and - well I know it is no excuse - reboot the phone before starting to browse. :-) If you have an E70-reboot it with open keyboard. That way you will keep the memory in an open position. :-)

I am not saying there are no problems, far from it, but let us give credit where it is due: The S60 browser is fantastic!

Now all that said, please give us the upgraded (and debugged) browser for S60 V3 FP0! :-)

Thanks and Best Regards!
Aron
Posted by: Aron | June 14, 2007 11:09 AM

I have yet to see a full blown browser on S60! The E61's browser is close but it is terrible at rendering some sites. If the iPhone does what it says it will... e.g. Safari on a phone then Nokia is in a world of hurt.

I think the one thing Apple will instill in Nokia's S60 strategy is the fact that applications will be updated. Gone will be the days of stale applications that are tied to firmware. So we put it to Nokia again...

Where is the S60 standalone browser package? WHO do we need to get the message to that the user base isn't asking, we are demanding.

At some point that demanding will stop and we will have moved onto other devices. Devices with applications that are updated.

If Nokia is worried about no-one buying new phones if all phones are upgradeable then ponder this... Where are new phone form factors? Where are new hw features (e.g. better cameras, GPS, improved wireless, enhanced network support/multiband UMTS)... There are always reasons people will upgrade the HW - give us the ability to now upgrade the sw.
Posted by: NickP | June 13, 2007 12:47 PM

The Nokia Communicator 9210i was released in 2002 with a full-blown Opera Mobile browser (based on the Opera 6 core). With a full QWERTY keyboard and a 640×200 screen, I think that predates most of the entries listed above.

(Full disclosure: I worked on the project)
Posted by: Peter Karlsson | June 13, 2007 04:47 AM

Sorry to steal your thunder but I consider the Windows Mobile Pocket PC Phone had the first full browser (Pocket Internet Explorer)... but what does it really matter?
Posted by: Simon | June 12, 2007 06:18 PM

Hello Franklin!

Please check Tommi's blog! He was so kind to raise my questions about Your S60 browser to a topic in his blog recently.

You must be aware that Your browser - which can save also web pages - is only available for FP1 phones. So from 25 million how many is that?

WOULD YOU CALL your browser a full blown web browser WITHOUT the possibility to save the beautifully displayed web pages? (S60 V3 FP0)


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I would! But please let us soon save the pages, and give us the "sis" distribution of the Web 2 browser.

In any case I agree with you, that you have been the revolutionaries in mobile browsing! Especially if you consider the pixel count of the E70! Only 5% lower than the iPhone!!! Shocking!

Open an E70, load a page, zoom 50% by pushing # twice, watch a readable full page on the E70 screen. Beautiful!

Thank You & Best Regards!

Aron
Posted by: Aron | June 12, 2007 05:23 PM

Franklin, I've updated to 4.0707.0.7 which I believe to be the latest firmware.

I haven't really seen any improvement, though. In fact, the earlier versions actually displayed some images from time to time. Every version crashes after a couple of pages, though.

Could you please poke someone to include this "vastly improved" browser in a firmware update for N80?
Posted by: DanH | June 12, 2007 04:18 PM

I'm curious why we didn't use the S60 browser on the Nokia N800.
Posted by: PhoneBoy  | June 12, 2007 04:12 PM

DanH, it's true-- the N80 is sadly lacking in memory. But it also originally shipped with very early browser software that was vastly improved in later phones.

There should be a firmware update for N80. I'm only a browser guy, and I can't promise you anything, but if you haven't tried yet, check out Nokia Software Updater and see if that helps.
Posted by: Franklin | June 12, 2007 04:02 PM

I hate to be the guy who points this out, but you're absolutely correct. What's the difference in the iPhone and S60 devices? MARKETING. Nokia and SE have missed a TREMENDOUS opportunity with the iPhone to get the word out to people about their devices.

I've said this time and time again in different places. The only thing revolutionary about the iPhone is that it has finally convinced Americans that it's ok to spend more than $10 on a mobile phone. Nokia's S60 devices have had the exact same features (N91 4GB and 8GB) for over a year now, but Nokia didn't see the point in marketing them in the US.

Hopefully someone at Nokia is getting a swift kick in the pants over this one. And hopefully we'll see Nokia doing some actual marketing.
Posted by: Ricky Cadden | June 12, 2007 03:55 PM

My N80's browser may be "full-blown" (whatever that means), but it sure blows up a lot.

Pretty much any even slightly complex web page causes it to crash (with or without telling me to close "other applications"). The few times it actually shows anything, pretty much every image is invisible (although the browser seems to download them all, they are just not shown).

So, if the iPhone has a full-blown browser that actually works, then it might indeed be a first.
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Matty

Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #162 on: September 20, 2007, 03:35:32 PM »
im off this week but i dont think the v1615 is coming out until october now, still waiting to loan one out and have a play. the new htc device still seems like the best overall 'smartphone' out there period.

Matty

Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #163 on: September 20, 2007, 04:03:26 PM »
cant wait to have the improved windows live functionality built into windows mobile 6 on a mobile device, gonna be real useful when i do more travelling next year. the crappy version of msn i was using on the qtek 9100 was still great and used hardly any data when i used it heavily for a whole week. just have to see if vodafone removed all the live functionality like i mentioned before because the S710 didn't have jack on it and checking all the windows mobile 6 documentation it seems like the classic, standard and pro versions all have this cool improved version of pocket msn on to start with. damn operators...

i've definitely started to warm to the n95 a little bit more, am comfortable selling them now as to be fair it is a stupidly high specced device i just always warn people about the horrible battery life. personally i can't stand nokia generally just based on the sheer amount of software issues that a lot of their devices have and the superior battery life/prefferable music player on the SE phones. i might of said before but the nokia 6110 navigator is the best nokia out there imo. i used it for a week and it might not have smart phone features like wi-fi or the 5mp camera but the satnav function is a breeze to use, has all the voice licensing included unlike the n95 where you gotta pay extra for that and is assisted gps too so uses your mobile signal as well as sateillites to triangulate your position and give you a faster gps fix. the symbian OS (i think its symbian again on this one) is actually super fast, faster than the n95. the battery life is decent too, even when using gps.

the k850i drops in a couple of weeks which will pretty off kill of the n95 as the best camera phone but i guess it depends what features you want. personally i like to have a smaller pesonal mobile with good camera, great battery life and music playing facilities (which is currently the SE k810i) and also have a seperate pda device for all your data browsing smart phone media navigating needs for if and when you need that added functionality. the nokia 6110 made me reassess that slightly cause it is hella useful to have your gps along with all your normal phone stuff in one nice compact slider device. when you have to drive around to random places a lot its a damn handy feature to always have on you.
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Matty

Re: My phone > iPhone
« Reply #164 on: September 20, 2007, 04:26:50 PM »
you can do but i'd always prefer an official client (im a dummy i know) and it seems like the one in windows mobile 6 is really good in terms of contact status alerting, multiple conversation management, smilies and all that kinda crap. i know the unofficial clients prolly do all that stuff as well but, you know 8)