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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2009, 08:21:48 PM »
^ Nigga, seriously, that wasn't even an argument, that was a 'just saying' type thang, hahahahaha, and if I was you, I'd be the last to talk. Cuz you don't bring no arguments to the table son. But what C-Blue said is what I'm gettin' at. Maybe it is retarded, but according to Daygo if she ain't gon sue a Church, that clearly seems like her way of thinkin'.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2009, 11:13:40 PM »
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2009, 05:15:03 AM »
Time for a change...bring it!
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2009, 06:47:39 AM »
^ Nigga, seriously, that wasn't even an argument, that was a 'just saying' type thang, hahahahaha, and if I was you, I'd be the last to talk. Cuz you don't bring no arguments to the table son. But what C-Blue said is what I'm gettin' at. Maybe it is retarded, but according to Daygo if she ain't gon sue a Church, that clearly seems like her way of thinkin'.

I've put plenty of arguments to the table nigga and at least I try to go on substance. The truth is YOU put faith above logic and I don't. This is what defines the believer---FAITH!. And this is also why it's impossible for niggas like me to even have a rational conversation with you about this subject. At least I try to put up an argument...you religious people can sticc to your "i was just saying" type things lol.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 03:37:58 PM »
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2009, 03:43:33 PM »
sounds like a crazy girl to me, if I were the dude I would bounce rock skate

can you imagine marrying a girl and letting her give away 10% of her earnings to that tithing bullshit?

yeah marry a chick who gives away money in this economy, smart move asshole

 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2009, 05:55:09 PM »
That;s the beauty of religion. It kills your logic.

That's the only reason why anyone would believe the earth as we know it was formed in 7 days......
....Or that evolution doesn't occur.
....Or that a man carried two of every species of living organisms on earth on a wooden boat.

I could go on and on with the craziness, excuse me, miracles that illogical religious people believe.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2009, 06:08:39 PM »
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2009, 06:33:45 PM »
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2009, 07:31:38 PM »
Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.


oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2009, 07:44:57 PM »
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.

Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 09:45:46 PM »
Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.


oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
Case closed with what this guy said.


^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
So by that logic, you can make any crazy claim you want and if I can't prove it then its a unmistakable fact?

And as for the Red Sea: proof that the level of the water in the Red Sea has risen and lowered over time is a lot different than proof that God himself split the Red Sea in order to allow people to walk through it. They left out a few details.

History Channel and National Geographic love to play with Christians by putting out that kinda logic-less bait so that they can boost their ratings.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 10:10:38 PM »
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.

Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.

And my arguments is childish?

I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.




We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?

Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.

L.

And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.



You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.

I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 10:12:19 PM »
Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.


oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
Case closed with what this guy said.


^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
So by that logic, you can make any crazy claim you want and if I can't prove it then its a unmistakable fact?

And as for the Red Sea: proof that the level of the water in the Red Sea has risen and lowered over time is a lot different than proof that God himself split the Red Sea in order to allow people to walk through it. They left out a few details.

History Channel and National Geographic love to play with Christians by putting out that kinda logic-less bait so that they can boost their ratings.

Well, maybe so, maybe so. It's a world of curiosity.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 10:24:48 PM »
The Bible is not a historical document.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 10:29:16 PM »
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.

Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
 

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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2009, 12:18:03 AM »
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.

Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.

And my arguments is childish?

I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.




We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?

Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.

L.

And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.



You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.

I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.


This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...

My "logic" about life is, there is no "logic". We live, we die. And to me this is not bitter. I just don't think of mankind as somethink special regarding its value. Clearly, we are on top because of our intelligence which evolved over hundreds of thousand years. But only because we are able to pose the question."Why are we here?", that dosen't mean that the answer is different from the billion years before.
Why is it so hard to accept that neither you nore me are anything special through birth?? You want your life to have a meaning? You want it to be something special? Fine, MAKE it special. That's not sad or bitter, it's just life.

I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.  ;D
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2009, 01:45:13 AM »
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.

Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!

There's no proof of what Noah did

There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt

There's no proof israelites invaded canaan

Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
 

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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2009, 02:04:45 AM »
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.

Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!

There's no proof of what Noah did

There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt

There's no proof israelites invaded canaan

Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
There's no proof of god's intervention in it***

There were 2 massive floods in ancient times.
1 Created the black sea the other created the persian gulf.
There could've easily been some retard who put a shitload of animals on a boat before it happend..

the bible is based on events that actually happend.
But don't forget ancient historical texts aren't that reliable either because history is written by the winners.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2009, 05:48:12 AM »
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.


One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.

Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.

And my arguments is childish?

I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.




We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?

Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.

L.

And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.



You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.

I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.

This is depending on weather or not your religion is even right. Remember Despite the fact the bible is considered a Historical Relic, so are the holy books of other faiths. My friend believes that all religions are talking about the same good, just different exploits/names.IMO Nearly all organized religion is a lie and is incomplete.The bible was said to be a much bigger book and when it was put together certain stuff was taken out.

Now the despite the fact that people claim "oh its full of contradictions" it does, but remember the bible was written by multiple sources. Multiple Scrolls rarely had the same writer. In the end though that's what makes yours and every other religion flawed. Its man made, the bible is said to be commissioned by god, but its written by mans hands. For all we know a schizophrenic heard voices and wrote down his thoughts on hell. But that's why they call it faith.

The bible can be explained scientifically, but when people do, its called blasphemy.Cause the moment the bible is explained in depth is the moment the faith becomes meaningless.

Many people use religion to find meaning, define "right" and "wrong" when in reality Faith in general is just another cradle holding back humanity from evolving. Religion has caused destruction, death, and genocide as well as hope, peace and life*.

Thing that gets me is Atheist. I know your side, and its understandable, but Why must you constantly try and turn someone from their faith? Its a stupid ignorant thing to do, its like religious people trying to convert you.Its fucking annoying and its fucking unneeded. Let mother fuckers believe what they want to believe and worry about your own damn problems.

*This is pertaining to multiple Right 2 Life cases, were its a sin to abort and thus the kid is birthed.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2009, 08:09:49 AM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2009, 09:05:49 AM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted.

Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.

You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.

The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.

What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.

Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature.  We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.

Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?

Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist.  Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.


Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2009, 09:33:28 AM »
^Stop trying to look smart, you're post are getting annoying to read...
That's like half a page to say 'Neither of you can prove there point'

You think God has to be an conscience, but does it really?
Can't it be the force keeping the universe going?

And on the 'before the big bang' issue:
I believe there may have been another universe before this one.
Like the universe is reinventing itself constantly.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2009, 11:01:26 AM »
^Stop trying to look smart, you're post are getting annoying to read...
That's like half a page to say 'Neither of you can prove there point'

You think God has to be an conscience, but does it really?
Can't it be the force keeping the universe going?

And on the 'before the big bang' issue:
I believe there may have been another universe before this one.
Like the universe is reinventing itself constantly.

First off: Fuck you, if you don't want 2 read, don't read. Just post tl;dr and I'll just sum the bitch up.

Secondly: Yeah, that's another theory that god isn't really a being but just the force

Thirdly: Yeah, wasn't that the alternate theory that after the big Crunch, it will just explode causing a new universe. (Sorta like history repeats but on a larget scale).

Fourthly: Yes, half a page, cause if you say 1 fucking sentence people won't fucking understand it. I go out 2 the fucking store, I have a conversation on people's favorite food/taste and When I say "everyone has a different taste, so some won't like it as much as the other" They look at me like they are retarded. Sadly I've gotten used to constantly using repetitive wording just 2 get a thing across.

PS: LOL look smart? Dude, this entire forum is mainly for rap. We got dudes fighting over "Budden getting bitch slapped" or "Did budden get his ass handed to him". The moment a person tries 2 look smart on this forum is the moment they go the way of flodyness or any other crazy bitch here.
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2009, 12:02:59 PM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted.

Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.

You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.

The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.

What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.

Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature.  We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.

Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?

Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist.  Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.


Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.


First of all...you do make some strong points and they're a hell of a lot better than the bullshit you get from quiet ruth or her cunting mother. You are correct when u say that neither side can prove a point. I can't prove there is no god and I also can't prove theres aliens out there. But I do have eyes and ears. I know what I see and I know what I don't. Atheism carries weight whereas religion carries almost none. The weight being scientific evidence of course. Evolution is a fact. We do evolve and a billion years from now you probably wouldn't recognize our specie. Yes there is faith in atheism since it's damn near impossible to prove something exists or not when u can't see it, hear it, touch it or detect it. But wouldn't you BELIEVE that since you can't do any of these things that this thing called god is total fabrication and bullshit. We can prove the existence of Tila Tequila...we can see her, touch her and even fucc her. I wish I could say the same about god. There is no evidence that suggests there is a god. The only thing religion has is FAITH but atheism has faith AND scientific evidence. That's why our faith is not above logic and reason.