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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2010, 08:09:13 PM »
I know, I know, I know. By some strange, COINCIDENTAL reason, we, of all the planets discovered, we, are the only planet with life. But it's becuz COINCIDENTALLY, we had this lil bitty buggy, a cell. AND this cell evolved. Evolved to what? Oh, an ape, than we evolved from that. But than somehow evolved into trees, plants, mountains, billions of other tiny insects, millions of animal life, and it's so funny, becuz we only evolved into male and female species. Hmm. For a reproduction purpose. Hmm. Oh, than we die. But nobody, not even SCIENCE could explain WHY we die. We just do. And that's that. Wow. What a world.

Again...the amazing thing about the human brain is its ability to problem solve and figure things out.  You said "of all the planets discovered".  Well we know very little about the planets.  Our solar system is tiny in comparison to the universe.  If you went back in time 2000 years with a flashlight...people would think you were a god, because you possessed some power that they could not explain.  "Thank god" there have been people out there who dont decide to stop using their mind, and instead of crediting god for everything, figure the shit out.  Im not saying that there is for certain, NO god.  Just as you or anyone else can not say there is for certain A god.  The problem I have with religion, is that it pretends to know....when obviously they dont.  All I ever ask out of a religious person is to be able to say "I dont know for sure".  You can believe what u want...its your life.  But dont live in a fantasy world that makes you believe you know what happens after death...where we came from...etc....when youve never died and been on earth your entire life.
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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2010, 08:14:53 PM »
i base my belief on one theory?  really?  thats news to me.  

and you claim to have all this evidence, well where the fuck is it?  a picture of a waterfall is not evidence.  its a picture of a waterfall.  

act as if youre a district attorney and you need to convince a jury that Mr. X is guilty of murder.  when it comes time to provide evidence are you just gonna show everyone a picture of a gun and say "there you go, your honor".  you would be laughed out of that court room so fast.  

and where do you get that i have a sour idea of life?  just because i dont think theres a god?  lmao




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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2010, 08:17:30 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  im not saying thats a bad thing, but stop acting like its fact, when its not.  it simply is not a fact that god exists.  if it was, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now, would we?

and like i saidf before, its not a fact that there is no god.  because if that were a fact, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now, would we?




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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2010, 08:22:19 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2010, 08:38:58 PM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?

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Magnetic fields extend infinitely, though they are weaker further from their source. The Earth's magnetic field, which effectively extends several tens of thousands of kilometres  into space, is called the magnetosphere.

The magnetosphere shields the surface of the Earth from the charged particles of the solar wind and is generated by electric currents located in many different parts of the Earth.

The Sun is a bubbling, boiling ball of fire. It constantly belches out great clouds of hot gas. This gas is all charged up with electricity, too. This stuff travels at astounding speeds, some of it right toward Earth! This means that Earth's weather happens inside the Sun's weather!

Thank goodness Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere protect us from most of this blast. Otherwise, the Sun's weather would be OUR weather.

Now if it wasn't for the Earth's gravity, we'd all float off into space. So don't panic when I tell you that you're constantly falling towards the Earth at an accelerating rate of 9.8 meters/second2. Fortunately, you're also standing on the Earth, so that's keeping you from falling.

Earth is only the only planet with this strength of gravitation. Only planet with life. Tell me how? Think about this...The Bible which was written 3,000 years or more ago, says, Earth is the only planet with human life, created by God. IT'S 2010, AND IT'S THE ONLY PLANET WITH HUMAN LIFE. With our advancements, we could of discovered that there was human life on Saturn. And The Bible could have been garbage, but what a consistent book that is, huh?

How come there's only male and female species of animal/mammal/human? Why isn't there somethang between them, why isn't there more? Not a hermaphrodite neither, but a completely different gender?

REASON, REASON, REASON.

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2010, 09:04:02 PM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?


Reasonable...

When you are a believer in something....anything will be evidence to you.  Because you want it to be.  Just like the court analogy that was used.  If I WANT someone to be guilty...it doesnt matter if they are or not...I can convince myself through "evidence" that they are.  The entire rest of the world might think Im a nut....but if I believe it, it doesnt matter. I can prove it to myself.  Every so odd years they find a piece of wood in the desert and claim its evidence of Noahs Ark LOL.  Some lady found evidence of Jesus in her potato chip.  Hell....Elvis is still fuckin alive, and Tupac might have JUST died in Haiti.  In order for evidence to prove something fact, there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever.

Anyways, again.  My big issue is the close-mindedness that so many religious folks suffer from that makes them believe that they KNOW for a fact that god is real, that theyre religion is the right one, and that everyone else is wrong.  Thats plain ignorance.  I never claim to know for SURE that god doesnt exist.  Cus none of us know.  I just chose to not believe in a god that cant be proven to exist by anyone.  At that point its just blind faith to me.  And I chose not to be blind.

Regardless...Im sure we can just agree to disagree....yet again lol As this shit is gonna go nowhere
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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2010, 09:09:53 PM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?


Reasonable...

When you are a believer in something....anything will be evidence to you.  Because you want it to be.  Just like the court analogy that was used.  If I WANT someone to be guilty...it doesnt matter if they are or not...I can convince myself through "evidence" that they are.  The entire rest of the world might think Im a nut....but if I believe it, it doesnt matter. I can prove it to myself.  Every so odd years they find a piece of wood in the desert and claim its evidence of Noahs Ark LOL.  Some lady found evidence of Jesus in her potato chip.  Hell....Elvis is still fuckin alive, and Tupac might have JUST died in Haiti.  In order for evidence to prove something fact, there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever.

Anyways, again.  My big issue is the close-mindedness that so many religious folks suffer from that makes them believe that they KNOW for a fact that god is real, that theyre religion is the right one, and that everyone else is wrong.  Thats plain ignorance.  I never claim to know for SURE that god doesnt exist.  Cus none of us know.  I just chose to not believe in a god that cant be proven to exist by anyone.  At that point its just blind faith to me.  And I chose not to be blind.

Regardless...Im sure we can just agree to disagree....yet again lol As this shit is gonna go nowhere

The close-mindedness works both ways here though.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2010, 09:14:45 PM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?


Reasonable...

When you are a believer in something....anything will be evidence to you.  Because you want it to be.  Just like the court analogy that was used.  If I WANT someone to be guilty...it doesnt matter if they are or not...I can convince myself through "evidence" that they are.  The entire rest of the world might think Im a nut....but if I believe it, it doesnt matter. I can prove it to myself.  Every so odd years they find a piece of wood in the desert and claim its evidence of Noahs Ark LOL.  Some lady found evidence of Jesus in her potato chip.  Hell....Elvis is still fuckin alive, and Tupac might have JUST died in Haiti.  In order for evidence to prove something fact, there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever.

Anyways, again.  My big issue is the close-mindedness that so many religious folks suffer from that makes them believe that they KNOW for a fact that god is real, that theyre religion is the right one, and that everyone else is wrong.  Thats plain ignorance.  I never claim to know for SURE that god doesnt exist.  Cus none of us know.  I just chose to not believe in a god that cant be proven to exist by anyone.  At that point its just blind faith to me.  And I chose not to be blind.

Regardless...Im sure we can just agree to disagree....yet again lol As this shit is gonna go nowhere

The close-mindedness works both ways here though.
daygo and myself both admit we dont know for sure, so how are we being close minded?  youre the one who thinks its a fact, regardless of whats being presented to you. 



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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2010, 09:15:38 PM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?


Reasonable...

When you are a believer in something....anything will be evidence to you.  Because you want it to be.  Just like the court analogy that was used.  If I WANT someone to be guilty...it doesnt matter if they are or not...I can convince myself through "evidence" that they are.  The entire rest of the world might think Im a nut....but if I believe it, it doesnt matter. I can prove it to myself.  Every so odd years they find a piece of wood in the desert and claim its evidence of Noahs Ark LOL.  Some lady found evidence of Jesus in her potato chip.  Hell....Elvis is still fuckin alive, and Tupac might have JUST died in Haiti.  In order for evidence to prove something fact, there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever.

Anyways, again.  My big issue is the close-mindedness that so many religious folks suffer from that makes them believe that they KNOW for a fact that god is real, that theyre religion is the right one, and that everyone else is wrong.  Thats plain ignorance.  I never claim to know for SURE that god doesnt exist.  Cus none of us know.  I just chose to not believe in a god that cant be proven to exist by anyone.  At that point its just blind faith to me.  And I chose not to be blind.

Regardless...Im sure we can just agree to disagree....yet again lol As this shit is gonna go nowhere

The close-mindedness works both ways here though.

Maybe with some people yes.  Like I told you tho...I cant prove that there is no god...you cant prove that there is one.  Im not saying I am for sure right....I might be wrong.  Just as you might.  But most religious folks Ive ever known cant admit (by the very nature of the religion they are a part of) that they might be wrong.

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2010, 09:35:51 PM »
^ So you're willing to risk an eternity of your spirit residing in a purgatory of hell becuz you can't be for certain? Of course neither can I. Cuz it's Faith. But if there ain't no God, there's no God, no consequence to me. You see what I'm sayin'?

daygo and myself both admit we dont know for sure, so how are we being close minded?  youre the one who thinks its a fact, regardless of whats being presented to you. 
You think I never had doubts or questions?? I mean I did but I came to the conclusion, life is far too unexplained and etc. and the more I see ya'll wit these beliefs the deeper mines becomes. Outta curiosity, is the only reason you choose not to believe is becuz you can't 'see' him?

You got 4 other senses my nigga. ;)

Or is it the theory of evolution? Cuz you got people who still believe in God regardless.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2010, 12:47:38 AM »
Listen I don't no any more, there's TOO MANY of you.

I've said so much shit in the past. But it's always the same fuckin' answers replied back.

Proof, proof, proof! Yes, okay, well it's called Faith. But there's REASONABLE evidence behind it that makes us believe, otherwise if there wasn't WE WOULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD WE???

It's called reasoning. There's a reason for everythang. 'Coincidence' and 'by chance'..my ass. Starting with space..magnificent ain't it?


Reasonable...

When you are a believer in something....anything will be evidence to you.  Because you want it to be.  Just like the court analogy that was used.  If I WANT someone to be guilty...it doesnt matter if they are or not...I can convince myself through "evidence" that they are.  The entire rest of the world might think Im a nut....but if I believe it, it doesnt matter. I can prove it to myself.  Every so odd years they find a piece of wood in the desert and claim its evidence of Noahs Ark LOL.  Some lady found evidence of Jesus in her potato chip.  Hell....Elvis is still fuckin alive, and Tupac might have JUST died in Haiti.  In order for evidence to prove something fact, there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever.

Anyways, again.  My big issue is the close-mindedness that so many religious folks suffer from that makes them believe that they KNOW for a fact that god is real, that theyre religion is the right one, and that everyone else is wrong.  Thats plain ignorance.  I never claim to know for SURE that god doesnt exist.  Cus none of us know.  I just chose to not believe in a god that cant be proven to exist by anyone.  At that point its just blind faith to me.  And I chose not to be blind.

Regardless...Im sure we can just agree to disagree....yet again lol As this shit is gonna go nowhere

The close-mindedness works both ways here though.
daygo and myself both admit we dont know for sure, so how are we being close minded?  youre the one who thinks its a fact, regardless of whats being presented to you. 

exactly..it's the gospel of I don't know. Can you prove Santa Claus don't exist?? No you can't. Same goes for god. That's how you're gonna set this up my niggas. keep an open mind. you have to look at everything from a neutral standpoint. i don't give a fucc who you are.

^ So you're willing to risk an eternity of your spirit residing in a purgatory of hell becuz you can't be for certain? Of course neither can I. Cuz it's Faith. But if there ain't no God, there's no God, no consequence to me. You see what I'm sayin'?

So in other words..your faith is like a "get outta jail free" card for you. You honestly think that's a good enough reason to believe?. Trust me when I tell you this but the reasons for not believing in this bullshit far outweigh the ones that tell you to believe.

daygo and myself both admit we dont know for sure, so how are we being close minded?  youre the one who thinks its a fact, regardless of whats being presented to you. 
You think I never had doubts or questions?? I mean I did but I came to the conclusion, life is far too unexplained and etc. and the more I see ya'll wit these beliefs the deeper mines becomes. Outta curiosity, is the only reason you choose not to believe is becuz you can't 'see' him?

You got 4 other senses my nigga. ;)

Or is it the theory of evolution? Cuz you got people who still believe in God regardless.
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if you'd keep an open mind you would understand. you're not asking all the questions my nigga. the theory of evolution is definitely something that sounds reasonable and it's not even a theory. we know for a fact that species evolve. we don't know anything about this god business. NADA.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2010, 02:52:00 AM »
^ So you're willing to risk an eternity of your spirit residing in a purgatory of hell becuz you can't be for certain? Of course neither can I. Cuz it's Faith. But if there ain't no God, there's no God, no consequence to me. You see what I'm sayin'?


this right here is the exact reason I think people believe in any particular religion.  This basically sums it up.  Fear.  They are too afraid to NOT believe it.  Thats terrible.
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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2010, 03:42:42 AM »
on the flip side i cannot prove there isnt a god, its just my belief that there isnt. 
THIS.

Facts have to be proven but you can be wrong about this so it should be factual?
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2010, 03:16:41 PM »
^ So you're willing to risk an eternity of your spirit residing in a purgatory of hell becuz you can't be for certain? Of course neither can I. Cuz it's Faith. But if there ain't no God, there's no God, no consequence to me. You see what I'm sayin'?

daygo and myself both admit we dont know for sure, so how are we being close minded?  youre the one who thinks its a fact, regardless of whats being presented to you. 
You think I never had doubts or questions?? I mean I did but I came to the conclusion, life is far too unexplained and etc. and the more I see ya'll wit these beliefs the deeper mines becomes. Outta curiosity, is the only reason you choose not to believe is becuz you can't 'see' him?

You got 4 other senses my nigga. ;)

Or is it the theory of evolution? Cuz you got people who still believe in God regardless.

exactly, there are things we cant explain, thats why people find comfort in god.  it goes back to the whole fear/security thing.  its far too simple to say "god did it" or "its gods will".  life is never simple, so why should the explanations be so simple?



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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2010, 03:19:34 PM »
^ So you're willing to risk an eternity of your spirit residing in a purgatory of hell becuz you can't be for certain? Of course neither can I. Cuz it's Faith. But if there ain't no God, there's no God, no consequence to me. You see what I'm sayin'?


this right here is the exact reason I think people believe in any particular religion.  This basically sums it up.  Fear.  They are too afraid to NOT believe it.  Thats terrible.

exactly.  im not worried about what happens to me when i die, im worried about my life RIGHT NOW.  when we die, we die.  why are people afraid to accept that? 



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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2010, 05:00:54 PM »
I don't know. I don't know about ya'll no more. I have questioned, kept an open mind, so that should be flipped, YA'LL SHOULD QUESTION, YA'LL WONDER, wondering leads to wisdom. 'Oh I can't see him, I can't see God', YA'LL CAN'T SEE FUCKIN' AIR NEITHER! Whatever. This world is fucked, unfortunately. Ya'll just need to understand reason. It sounds crazy, ya'll ideations sound crazy. Like everythang was just some big coincidence. Like really ya'll? Really? Come on homies. Death. Why we die? TELL ME OH ATHEIST, WHY? No idea. Just happens. IT JUST 'DOESN'T HAPPEN'. Life doesn't just happen. It's somethang called..CAUSE & EFFECT! Ya'll learned that in fuckin' GRAMMAR SCHOOL!!

I'ma say though, I hope somethang happens, AND NOT SOMETHANG BAD OR SOME TRAGEDY, but somethang, some awaking in ya'll lives, somethang positive to change your views and realize God is fuckin' good. I says it wit respect.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2010, 05:06:27 PM »
you call my ideas crazy but youre the one who prays to some invisible man in the sky.  :p



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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2010, 05:13:41 PM »
Like the invisible air you breathe? The invisible wind you feel hit chur face? 
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2010, 05:14:51 PM »
The heart can see things invisible to the eye ;D
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2010, 05:21:24 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  

exactly

not really. to you guys it's a false sense of security, but to others it's a true sense of living. I don't believe in God just because my parents, grandparents and the bible says so. I see the world for how it is and I see evidence of God through life and experience.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2010, 05:24:10 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  

exactly

not really. to you guys it's a false sense of security, but to others it's a true sense of living.

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2010, 06:00:14 PM »
In an attempt to get back on topic:
Officially it's not factual but this sounds like the exeption not taken into consideration when creating this rule.


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nothing magical happens during your life, why would something magical happen after you die?
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2010, 06:16:35 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  

exactly

not really. to you guys it's a false sense of security, but to others it's a true sense of living. I don't believe in God just because my parents, grandparents and the bible says so. I see the world for how it is and I see evidence of God through life and experience.

In an atheists POV you've contradicted yourself there, how you see the world is dicatated by your upbringing and learning ipso facto...you DO believe in God just because of your parents.



I'm not one to shit on someone's beliefs, just thought I'd point that out so you'd understand at least the other side of the argument.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2010, 06:26:09 PM »
religions were made because man fears what he doesnt understand.  saying "god made it" takes away that fear and replaces it with a false sense of security.  

exactly

not really. to you guys it's a false sense of security, but to others it's a true sense of living. I don't believe in God just because my parents, grandparents and the bible says so. I see the world for how it is and I see evidence of God through life and experience.

In an atheists POV you've contradicted yourself there, how you see the world is dicatated by your upbringing and learning ipso facto...you DO believe in God just because of your parents.



I'm not one to shit on someone's beliefs, just thought I'd point that out so you'd understand at least the other side of the argument.

I was speaking hypothetically, in reality my parents never really told me to be a good catholic and I never read the bible.. When I asked about religion my mom just told me "Just be happy." And even if they told me to believe in God and read the bible that doesn't mean they can dictate how I view the world. There are many athiests out there that grew up with religious parents and obviously their view of the world wasn't dictated by their upbringing and learning(as you said). I don't believe my view on religion has been tainted by my family's beliefs.
 

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Re: How come people see religion & beliefs as opinions?
« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2010, 06:30:05 PM »
imma have to agree with sparegz.  my cousin and i are the only atheists in a family full of catholics and a couple chrstians here and there. 



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