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Speaking of confidence I still think you're oversimplifying. I don't think Dre has such a strong position in Interscope. If this scrapped material was good but Dre had no confidence why the fuck Interscope didn't pushed him to put it out? It can;t be that hard since he is Interscope's employee. I think it's them who decide when they want to spend their money.... It must be really strange relationship if it look like this 10 years later.... Dre: Ok... i'm happy with my material. give me the money so i can put it out' or Interscope: 'it's a great time to make some money. we have the budged, your material is the bomb. We're putting it out". Dre: "no i don't want it. I don;t like my songs'. lol Interscope is a corporation where all decisions are being taken by the board or something like that... not by one man who works for them. At the end of the day Interscope have the rights to every single song Dre has made while working for them. so if they heard the material and they thought it's good they could have put it out...
lol who are these "wrong people" in his environment?
If Doctor Dre doesn't want to work with Snoop and the DPG anymore, fuck it, they don't need him. Snoop needs to stop waiting for this man.Take D.O.C for some help on the raps, all the dpg familly for the featuring, Fredwreck, Battlecat, Terrace Martin, DJ Quik, DAZ, Soopafly, Meech, Warren G, The Parliament, and the Snoopadelics for the production. Lock them all in the studio and we will have an album better than Doggystyle.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 11:02:57 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.THIS is not that simple. Music business is still a business. Every time you put out album you take a risk. You need to put massive money and then hope for an income. Every single major release needs business plan... Surely Interscope business plan wasn't aimed at Detox back in the days when Dre was still top-notch producer (that's why we havent seen detox not only as a multiple album but even as a one album). 50 and Game were making money for Interscope so there was no need to risk with Detox. I guess recently they faced fact that this is probably last chance for them (and Dre) to put out well-selling record (and as far as i know they need to do that due to the record deal). They know Eminem's last success may be very helpful.... it's still my speculations tho but it makes more sense to me than saying Dre didn't release Detox because he lost his confidence. It's oversimplification. It's like trying to understand worldwide businessman problems from a stay-at-home man's perspective lol... how do you know they didn't have a business plan? did you visit any meetings?anyway, the confidence thing came from a friend of dre ( eminem). plus other witnesses said dre tried several directions for Detox over the years & started over. you don't do that if you're confident.i told you this is only me speculating. the "surely" word was too far... my fault. but hey i never told they didn't have a businessplan. i told it wasn't aimed at Dre. Looks like other artists were their main products back in the days. not dre.Speaking of confidence I still think you're oversimplifying. I don't think Dre has such a strong position in Interscope. If this scrapped material was good but Dre had no confidence why the fuck Interscope didn't pushed him to put it out? It can;t be that hard since he is Interscope's employee. I think it's them who decide when they want to spend their money.... It must be really strange relationship if it look like this 10 years later.... Dre: Ok... i'm happy with my material. give me the money so i can put it out' or Interscope: 'it's a great time to make some money. we have the budged, your material is the bomb. We're putting it out". Dre: "no i don't want it. I don;t like my songs'. lol Interscope is a corporation where all decisions are being taken by the board or something like that... not by one man who works for them. At the end of the day Interscope have the rights to every single song Dre has made while working for them. so if they heard the material and they thought it's good they could have put it out...and oh... i think you shouldn't trust in every single word you read/hear in the interview. Don't forget Eminem is also Intersocpe's employee... Don't get me wrong homey. i'm not saying i'm right (what is more i think you could be right... that's why i want to discuss) . I just always try to analyze the situation because different people in music business talk different shit. And the situation with Detox that was told to the public sound very ridiculous to me. damn... having different opinions is such a great thing. isn't it? peace
Quote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.THIS is not that simple. Music business is still a business. Every time you put out album you take a risk. You need to put massive money and then hope for an income. Every single major release needs business plan... Surely Interscope business plan wasn't aimed at Detox back in the days when Dre was still top-notch producer (that's why we havent seen detox not only as a multiple album but even as a one album). 50 and Game were making money for Interscope so there was no need to risk with Detox. I guess recently they faced fact that this is probably last chance for them (and Dre) to put out well-selling record (and as far as i know they need to do that due to the record deal). They know Eminem's last success may be very helpful.... it's still my speculations tho but it makes more sense to me than saying Dre didn't release Detox because he lost his confidence. It's oversimplification. It's like trying to understand worldwide businessman problems from a stay-at-home man's perspective lol... how do you know they didn't have a business plan? did you visit any meetings?anyway, the confidence thing came from a friend of dre ( eminem). plus other witnesses said dre tried several directions for Detox over the years & started over. you don't do that if you're confident.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.THIS is not that simple. Music business is still a business. Every time you put out album you take a risk. You need to put massive money and then hope for an income. Every single major release needs business plan... Surely Interscope business plan wasn't aimed at Detox back in the days when Dre was still top-notch producer (that's why we havent seen detox not only as a multiple album but even as a one album). 50 and Game were making money for Interscope so there was no need to risk with Detox. I guess recently they faced fact that this is probably last chance for them (and Dre) to put out well-selling record (and as far as i know they need to do that due to the record deal). They know Eminem's last success may be very helpful.... it's still my speculations tho but it makes more sense to me than saying Dre didn't release Detox because he lost his confidence. It's oversimplification. It's like trying to understand worldwide businessman problems from a stay-at-home man's perspective lol...
Quote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.
no matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...
Each year Dre gets older and so do his fans. The people that have the extra dough to buy music are 13-21, and I don't think any of them give a fuck who Dre is. If it ain't Drake, Weezy, Em, Soulja, that's it!
Quote from: Stan on May 27, 2011, 12:16:57 PMEach year Dre gets older and so do his fans. The people that have the extra dough to buy music are 13-21, and I don't think any of them give a fuck who Dre is. If it ain't Drake, Weezy, Em, Soulja, that's it!based on what?
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 01:12:10 PMQuote from: Stan on May 27, 2011, 12:16:57 PMEach year Dre gets older and so do his fans. The people that have the extra dough to buy music are 13-21, and I don't think any of them give a fuck who Dre is. If it ain't Drake, Weezy, Em, Soulja, that's it!based on what?Mmm when I was in school I believe that was the stat. 13-21 (cuz they live at home) in North-America have the most income to dispose. The argument was why has record sales gone down the shitter? Is the money run out?Hell no, it's because people can download music for free and spend their money on other shit. I believe cell phones and ringtones were at the top of the list in which the youngins were spending that dough. The $$ didn't just evaporate, it went somewhere else.
Quote from: Stan on May 27, 2011, 01:20:02 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 01:12:10 PMQuote from: Stan on May 27, 2011, 12:16:57 PMEach year Dre gets older and so do his fans. The people that have the extra dough to buy music are 13-21, and I don't think any of them give a fuck who Dre is. If it ain't Drake, Weezy, Em, Soulja, that's it!based on what?Mmm when I was in school I believe that was the stat. 13-21 (cuz they live at home) in North-America have the most income to dispose. The argument was why has record sales gone down the shitter? Is the money run out?Hell no, it's because people can download music for free and spend their money on other shit. I believe cell phones and ringtones were at the top of the list in which the youngins were spending that dough. The $$ didn't just evaporate, it went somewhere else. really?if that's true, then a lot of 21+ people are getting raped financially
Stan, kids don't buy cd's anymore lol. nobody does.... albums that sell big (100K+) are people who are from all different types of backgrounds and cult members of the artist(s). if anything they buy single songs off of i-Tunes and shit like that but kids definitely don't buy albums, most of us youngin's don't even have jobs let alone disposable income. i know when i'm broke I spend my last $3 on a 40 and a lottery ticket, not i-Tunes.this is my idea of buying a song. but for the record I personally would buy "Detox" tho