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Quote from: Hollywood Bilderberg™ on May 26, 2011, 05:42:14 PMQuote from: Reality Check on May 26, 2011, 05:31:50 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 26, 2011, 04:25:48 PMI'm sure they've been around each other. But no way is dre going to offer daz the opportunity to work with him again. Which is weird cuz he forgave doc, rbx, and a few other people that shitted on himBut they weren't going on for years calling Dr. Dre a fraud behind the boards. Daz had been dissing Dre as far back as '96.no he hasn't. last time i ever heard Daz talk about Dre like that was 2000/2002 (i think). Daz ain't been worried about Dre. Sure he's claimed his fame to "The Chronic" but so has everybody else and so is everybody now with "Detox". I'm tellin' u; without Daz/Tha Dogg Pound there is no REAL "Detox" (it's like "Starwars" without R2-D2 and C3Po). There's just certain elements that this album has to have in order for it to be wat it's "supposed to be". Ain't no1 sayin put tha nigga on the lead single but if/when that collaboration goes down it'll be like the "missing piece". "Detox" is more than just an album, it's an event!I'm sorry but that's a rather ridiculous statement. What can Daz bring to the table that's worthy of being on Detox? Pretty much nothing. He's a hypocrite when it came to what he had to say about Dre because Daz uses numerous co-producers that probably do a bulk of the work. And when he doesn't use them his music sucks. Soopafly, Mike Dean, Ivan Johnson are what made Daz's productions dope. Not Daz himself. I'm a Daz fan and always will be, but on the real he doesn't belong on Detox.
Quote from: Reality Check on May 26, 2011, 05:31:50 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 26, 2011, 04:25:48 PMI'm sure they've been around each other. But no way is dre going to offer daz the opportunity to work with him again. Which is weird cuz he forgave doc, rbx, and a few other people that shitted on himBut they weren't going on for years calling Dr. Dre a fraud behind the boards. Daz had been dissing Dre as far back as '96.no he hasn't. last time i ever heard Daz talk about Dre like that was 2000/2002 (i think). Daz ain't been worried about Dre. Sure he's claimed his fame to "The Chronic" but so has everybody else and so is everybody now with "Detox". I'm tellin' u; without Daz/Tha Dogg Pound there is no REAL "Detox" (it's like "Starwars" without R2-D2 and C3Po). There's just certain elements that this album has to have in order for it to be wat it's "supposed to be". Ain't no1 sayin put tha nigga on the lead single but if/when that collaboration goes down it'll be like the "missing piece". "Detox" is more than just an album, it's an event!
Quote from: GangstaBoogy on May 26, 2011, 04:25:48 PMI'm sure they've been around each other. But no way is dre going to offer daz the opportunity to work with him again. Which is weird cuz he forgave doc, rbx, and a few other people that shitted on himBut they weren't going on for years calling Dr. Dre a fraud behind the boards. Daz had been dissing Dre as far back as '96.
I'm sure they've been around each other. But no way is dre going to offer daz the opportunity to work with him again. Which is weird cuz he forgave doc, rbx, and a few other people that shitted on him
Just like everyone says Dre brings out the best in Snoop... they bring out the best in Dre, the facts don't lie. Listen to Doggystyle, NWA albums, Both chronics, Doggfood and No-One Can Do It better, there's a vibe in those albums between them guys you can feel and that's what's missing.
Quote from: Az on May 27, 2011, 06:38:59 AMJust like everyone says Dre brings out the best in Snoop... they bring out the best in Dre, the facts don't lie. Listen to Doggystyle, NWA albums, Both chronics, Doggfood and No-One Can Do It better, there's a vibe in those albums between them guys you can feel and that's what's missing.I agree. Snoop shined on the NWA albums.
no matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...
I'll tell you what Daz can bring.... A vibe. A vibe from a group that mesh well together and will push Dre to the levels he needs to be; not like his current group of YES men who seem to slop his top after hearing the 100th generic piano beat/forced chorus tracsk he's been producing for the last 6-7 years. Just like everyone says Dre brings out the best in Snoop... they bring out the best in Dre, the facts don't lie. Listen to Doggystyle, NWA albums, Both chronics, Doggfood and No-One Can Do It better, there's a vibe in those albums between them guys you can feel and that's what's missing.No-one can blame Interscope for the detox saga because all they want is sales at the endve the day and they dont give a fuck how they get them. And if the current leaks were good enough then it'd be out by now.
Quote from: DJ Coma on May 26, 2011, 08:46:19 PMQuote from: Hollywood Bilderberg™ on May 26, 2011, 05:42:14 PMQuote from: Reality Check on May 26, 2011, 05:31:50 PMQuote from: GangstaBoogy on May 26, 2011, 04:25:48 PMI'm sure they've been around each other. But no way is dre going to offer daz the opportunity to work with him again. Which is weird cuz he forgave doc, rbx, and a few other people that shitted on himBut they weren't going on for years calling Dr. Dre a fraud behind the boards. Daz had been dissing Dre as far back as '96.no he hasn't. last time i ever heard Daz talk about Dre like that was 2000/2002 (i think). Daz ain't been worried about Dre. Sure he's claimed his fame to "The Chronic" but so has everybody else and so is everybody now with "Detox". I'm tellin' u; without Daz/Tha Dogg Pound there is no REAL "Detox" (it's like "Starwars" without R2-D2 and C3Po). There's just certain elements that this album has to have in order for it to be wat it's "supposed to be". Ain't no1 sayin put tha nigga on the lead single but if/when that collaboration goes down it'll be like the "missing piece". "Detox" is more than just an album, it's an event!I'm sorry but that's a rather ridiculous statement. What can Daz bring to the table that's worthy of being on Detox? Pretty much nothing. He's a hypocrite when it came to what he had to say about Dre because Daz uses numerous co-producers that probably do a bulk of the work. And when he doesn't use them his music sucks. Soopafly, Mike Dean, Ivan Johnson are what made Daz's productions dope. Not Daz himself. I'm a Daz fan and always will be, but on the real he doesn't belong on Detox.I'll tell you what Daz can bring.... A vibe. A vibe from a group that mesh well together and will push Dre to the levels he needs to be; not like his current group of YES men who seem to slop his top after hearing the 100th generic piano beat/forced chorus tracsk he's been producing for the last 6-7 years. Just like everyone says Dre brings out the best in Snoop... they bring out the best in Dre, the facts don't lie. Listen to Doggystyle, NWA albums, Both chronics, Doggfood and No-One Can Do It better, there's a vibe in those albums between them guys you can feel and that's what's missing.No-one can blame Interscope for the detox saga because all they want is sales at the endve the day and they dont give a fuck how they get them. And if the current leaks were good enough then it'd be out by now.
Quote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.
anyway, isn't it obvious that dre is mainly responsible for the delays of Detox?
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.THIS is not that simple. Music business is still a business. Every time you put out album you take a risk. You need to put massive money and then hope for an income. Every single major release needs business plan... Surely Interscope business plan wasn't aimed at Detox back in the days when Dre was still top-notch producer (that's why we havent seen detox not only as a multiple album but even as a one album). 50 and Game were making money for Interscope so there was no need to risk with Detox. I guess recently they faced fact that this is probably last chance for them (and Dre) to put out well-selling record (and as far as i know they need to do that due to the record deal). They know Eminem's last success may be very helpful.... it's still my speculations tho but it makes more sense to me than saying Dre didn't release Detox because he lost his confidence. It's oversimplification. It's like trying to understand worldwide businessman problems from a stay-at-home man's perspective lol...
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AManyway, isn't it obvious that dre is mainly responsible for the delays of Detox?of course it's not obvious
I don't know man I think at this point they need to get it out this year OR can it. Scrap it, leave it, don't talk about it again ...They have been doing this shit for too long, I mean they gave Dre the cover of XXL (how many times?), the Grammys, two videos, the Pacquiao hype-up promo, etc. What else can they do? All this momentum will be lost very soon, if it hasn't already. If they give us another teaser and it still doesn't come out I think I'm gonna call it quits on this. How far can you lead people on? This really reminds me of the G&R tragedy where they had the hype then released the album 10 years too late ... Whos with me ?
Quote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Nate Day on May 27, 2011, 07:32:56 AMQuote from: shoo on May 27, 2011, 06:26:17 AMno matter how many post be written i really doubt if Dre himself gives a fuck. He's probably more of a businessman than musician who cares about his fans so as long as the formula makes $$$ for him then he's cool with that. He has just put out his second best charting single in his whole solo career so i guess he's happy about that and wants to follow INAD route. sad but probably true. He don't give a fuck about you, you and you. Money are his beloved and true fanbase...it's not that simple.i mean if what you said is true, then why aren't there multiple parts of Detox out? that's how he could have exploited it. i bet the several recording sessions were expensive.not saying he doesn't care about money, but i think he cares more about succeeding with Detox.THIS is not that simple. Music business is still a business. Every time you put out album you take a risk. You need to put massive money and then hope for an income. Every single major release needs business plan... Surely Interscope business plan wasn't aimed at Detox back in the days when Dre was still top-notch producer (that's why we havent seen detox not only as a multiple album but even as a one album). 50 and Game were making money for Interscope so there was no need to risk with Detox. I guess recently they faced fact that this is probably last chance for them (and Dre) to put out well-selling record (and as far as i know they need to do that due to the record deal). They know Eminem's last success may be very helpful.... it's still my speculations tho but it makes more sense to me than saying Dre didn't release Detox because he lost his confidence. It's oversimplification. It's like trying to understand worldwide businessman problems from a stay-at-home man's perspective lol... how do you know they didn't have a business plan? did you visit any meetings?anyway, the confidence thing came from a friend of dre ( eminem). plus other witnesses said dre tried several directions for Detox over the years & started over. you don't do that if you're confident.