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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2011, 08:46:32 PM »
Yeah. I don't know how you could think Elmatic isn't dope. It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard.

I didn't say I thought it wasn't dope. It's just that when I originally wrote that post I was thinking you were suggesting me another Elzhi project but when I took a second to think about it Elzhi only released Elmatic this year and that's something I did check out so I crossed it off. Still gets spins from me occasionally, It Ain't Hard To Tell is sick.
Also I checked out R.E.K.S. but at first listen I was like "Meh." I'll give it a few more spins though and hope it grows on me...
 

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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2011, 02:01:30 PM »
For me Reks was an album that got better with every spin. Fav songs: Like A Star, This is Me, Mascara, Self Titled, Mr. Nobody.
 

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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2011, 08:21:37 AM »
Did you listen to the Reks or Elzhi album?

Nope, didn't know either had new albums. But Grey Hairs and eLmatic were was dope so I think I'll give them a shot...

Edit: By Elzhi album did you mean eLmatic?

Yeah. I don't know how you could think Elmatic isn't dope. It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard.

"It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard."

This isn't really saying much considering only a few people have done it. I personally thought it was dope but I will NEVER listen to ElMatic on a regular basis because I own Illmatic. I don't even udnerstand why anyone would even waste their time and energy by copying an album already in existence. Elzhi is dope though.

But the two albums aren't the same. It's not like you would be listening to one instead of the other. If you want to hear early Nas you would listen to illmatic. If you want to hear Elzhi you would listen to Elmatic. The two albums don't even give off the same vibes. One is early 90s east coast production, and one is modern production using some of the same samples as the OG.

To answer your last statement,surely you realize hundreds of artists (rappers included) do covers? A lot of them have become classics. This album is doing that for 8 tracks.

Name me a dozen of artists that have done entire album covers. No-one said anything about cover SONGS. I said albums. Read my post again.

Also, the songs are practically exactly the same musically, the only difference is that Will Sessions is nowhere near as good a producer as the worst beatmaker on Illmatic, so his beats just come off sounding like cheap copies. Give me an Elzhi solo album when he doesn't rely entirely on beats and themes that have been made up by someone else over ElMatic.

Thats not to say its a bad album, it's just completely unnecessary.

And yes, they DO give off the same vibes.
 

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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2011, 10:50:45 AM »
Did you listen to the Reks or Elzhi album?

Nope, didn't know either had new albums. But Grey Hairs and eLmatic were was dope so I think I'll give them a shot...

Edit: By Elzhi album did you mean eLmatic?

Yeah. I don't know how you could think Elmatic isn't dope. It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard.

"It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard."

This isn't really saying much considering only a few people have done it. I personally thought it was dope but I will NEVER listen to ElMatic on a regular basis because I own Illmatic. I don't even udnerstand why anyone would even waste their time and energy by copying an album already in existence. Elzhi is dope though.

But the two albums aren't the same. It's not like you would be listening to one instead of the other. If you want to hear early Nas you would listen to illmatic. If you want to hear Elzhi you would listen to Elmatic. The two albums don't even give off the same vibes. One is early 90s east coast production, and one is modern production using some of the same samples as the OG.

To answer your last statement,surely you realize hundreds of artists (rappers included) do covers? A lot of them have become classics. This album is doing that for 8 tracks.

Name me a dozen of artists that have done entire album covers. No-one said anything about cover SONGS. I said albums. Read my post again.

Also, the songs are practically exactly the same musically, the only difference is that Will Sessions is nowhere near as good a producer as the worst beatmaker on Illmatic, so his beats just come off sounding like cheap copies. Give me an Elzhi solo album when he doesn't rely entirely on beats and themes that have been made up by someone else over ElMatic.

Thats not to say its a bad album, it's just completely unnecessary.

And yes, they DO give off the same vibes.

What's the difference between covering a classic song and covering 8 classic songs? Does that somehow make it not worth listening to you? If Elzhi had released one cover of each illmatic song per year would that make it more worthwhile to you? Cmon son....

Honestly I would say that some of the production is actually better than the OG. Some of the producers on illmatic came average *cough qtip*. The fact Elmatic is live instrumentation gives it a fresh vibe. How could you not love the extended instrumental on Life's a Bitch? And also what themes dude? Nas on illmatic didn't know how to stick to themes yet.

It's all opinion and you not liking it is yours. But it makes no sense to dislike it for being a cover when covers are a big part of music.
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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2011, 02:09:49 PM »
Did you listen to the Reks or Elzhi album?

Nope, didn't know either had new albums. But Grey Hairs and eLmatic were was dope so I think I'll give them a shot...

Edit: By Elzhi album did you mean eLmatic?

Yeah. I don't know how you could think Elmatic isn't dope. It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard.

"It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard."

This isn't really saying much considering only a few people have done it. I personally thought it was dope but I will NEVER listen to ElMatic on a regular basis because I own Illmatic. I don't even udnerstand why anyone would even waste their time and energy by copying an album already in existence. Elzhi is dope though.

But the two albums aren't the same. It's not like you would be listening to one instead of the other. If you want to hear early Nas you would listen to illmatic. If you want to hear Elzhi you would listen to Elmatic. The two albums don't even give off the same vibes. One is early 90s east coast production, and one is modern production using some of the same samples as the OG.

To answer your last statement,surely you realize hundreds of artists (rappers included) do covers? A lot of them have become classics. This album is doing that for 8 tracks.

Name me a dozen of artists that have done entire album covers. No-one said anything about cover SONGS. I said albums. Read my post again.

Also, the songs are practically exactly the same musically, the only difference is that Will Sessions is nowhere near as good a producer as the worst beatmaker on Illmatic, so his beats just come off sounding like cheap copies. Give me an Elzhi solo album when he doesn't rely entirely on beats and themes that have been made up by someone else over ElMatic.

Thats not to say its a bad album, it's just completely unnecessary.

And yes, they DO give off the same vibes.

What's the difference between covering a classic song and covering 8 classic songs? Does that somehow make it not worth listening to you? If Elzhi had released one cover of each illmatic song per year would that make it more worthwhile to you? Cmon son....

Honestly I would say that some of the production is actually better than the OG. Some of the producers on illmatic came average *cough qtip*. The fact Elmatic is live instrumentation gives it a fresh vibe. How could you not love the extended instrumental on Life's a Bitch? And also what themes dude? Nas on illmatic didn't know how to stick to themes yet.

It's all opinion and you not liking it is yours. But it makes no sense to dislike it for being a cover when covers are a big part of music.

There is an absolutely huge difference between covering one song and covering an entire album. A huge difference. The evidence is in the fact that so little covers of entire albums get constructed. Its not even an original idea to do so either, as other artists has already tred this path and remade Illmatic.

This is entirely opinion yes, which is shown by the fact I entirely disagree with the laughable statement that the production on this free cover album Elzhi dropped is apparently better than the production on what is considered by many people to not only be a classic, but arguably even the single greatest hip-hop album ever made.

And Nas didn't do themes? Seriously? What is The World Is Yours? What is Memory Lane? Really, mate?
 

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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2011, 02:01:58 PM »
Groupieness aside, I genuinely thnk DJ Premier is producer of the year. He's been killing it this year.

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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2011, 06:08:44 PM »
producer- 9th wonder. emcee- big remo
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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2011, 07:46:51 PM »
Groupieness aside, I genuinely thnk DJ Premier is producer of the year. He's been killing it this year.

Really? I mean I love the guy and he's arguably the GOAT but this particular year of all years?
 

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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2011, 10:55:16 AM »
Did you listen to the Reks or Elzhi album?

Nope, didn't know either had new albums. But Grey Hairs and eLmatic were was dope so I think I'll give them a shot...

Edit: By Elzhi album did you mean eLmatic?

Yeah. I don't know how you could think Elmatic isn't dope. It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard.

"It's the best remake of illmatic I've ever heard."

This isn't really saying much considering only a few people have done it. I personally thought it was dope but I will NEVER listen to ElMatic on a regular basis because I own Illmatic. I don't even udnerstand why anyone would even waste their time and energy by copying an album already in existence. Elzhi is dope though.

But the two albums aren't the same. It's not like you would be listening to one instead of the other. If you want to hear early Nas you would listen to illmatic. If you want to hear Elzhi you would listen to Elmatic. The two albums don't even give off the same vibes. One is early 90s east coast production, and one is modern production using some of the same samples as the OG.

To answer your last statement,surely you realize hundreds of artists (rappers included) do covers? A lot of them have become classics. This album is doing that for 8 tracks.

Name me a dozen of artists that have done entire album covers. No-one said anything about cover SONGS. I said albums. Read my post again.

Also, the songs are practically exactly the same musically, the only difference is that Will Sessions is nowhere near as good a producer as the worst beatmaker on Illmatic, so his beats just come off sounding like cheap copies. Give me an Elzhi solo album when he doesn't rely entirely on beats and themes that have been made up by someone else over ElMatic.

Thats not to say its a bad album, it's just completely unnecessary.

And yes, they DO give off the same vibes.

What's the difference between covering a classic song and covering 8 classic songs? Does that somehow make it not worth listening to you? If Elzhi had released one cover of each illmatic song per year would that make it more worthwhile to you? Cmon son....

Honestly I would say that some of the production is actually better than the OG. Some of the producers on illmatic came average *cough qtip*. The fact Elmatic is live instrumentation gives it a fresh vibe. How could you not love the extended instrumental on Life's a Bitch? And also what themes dude? Nas on illmatic didn't know how to stick to themes yet.

It's all opinion and you not liking it is yours. But it makes no sense to dislike it for being a cover when covers are a big part of music.

There is an absolutely huge difference between covering one song and covering an entire album. A huge difference. The evidence is in the fact that so little covers of entire albums get constructed. Its not even an original idea to do so either, as other artists has already tred this path and remade Illmatic.

This is entirely opinion yes, which is shown by the fact I entirely disagree with the laughable statement that the production on this free cover album Elzhi dropped is apparently better than the production on what is considered by many people to not only be a classic, but arguably even the single greatest hip-hop album ever made.

And Nas didn't do themes? Seriously? What is The World Is Yours? What is Memory Lane? Really, mate?

lol what? You just contradicted yourself. First you say its not a good idea because no one does it. Now you're saying its not a good idea because other artists do it. I'll say again, if you like one remake, there's no logical reason not to like 9 remakes.

illmatic is a classic album because of Nas. Not because of the production. If original songs can't be remade why do we even have remakes? Or sampling for that matter? These rappers should be rapping over the original production I guess.

lol what are the themes of those two songs? Nas talking about himself?

Come on now. Nothing you've said changes whether the music is dope or not. Either you like it or you don't.
 

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Re: Nominate your producer and rapper of the year
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2011, 02:08:06 PM »
I have been listening to this new artist Heady 16 Switches the Mixtape its pretty good. Check him out.

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