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Let's lay down some guild lines, I still don't believe in this New World Order, Illuminati, dollar bill type shit. But I do think something is up in Washington. As I get older, and my college friends get deeper into their careers, I have really good friends in Washington, I mean really really good friends. I have friends that have direct contact with people in Obama's cabinet, who are the right hand person for a senator, or congressman. These are Washington insiders who work directly with people you see in the news everyday. Talking to them, visiting Washington, I have learned more about Washington and the people that work in it than I ever could imagine. Notice I didn't say run Washington. Here is what I have learned.

Throw out Democrats and Republicans right now, although it actually means something, this is not important to what I'm about to say. Democrat and Republican mean something in congress, it's huge. There is so much going on it's sad. Everything you see on TV in the news, yes these people are dysfunctional. But that's not the important part. What's important is that senators and representatives are allowed to stay on too long. Here is the problem, the longer they stay, the more and more corrupt they become. Washington is a place that can easily corrupt you, and once you are corrupt, you are now useless to the people you serve.

The Tea Party has NO idea how government works. I had a friend attend a Tea Party meeting, and it was basically the Tea Party leaders yelling at congress people that they have failed and that they have not repealed Obamacare, they have not cut taxes yet. Basically the Tea Party thought after 2010, that the Tea Party would run over the Democrats. The Democrats have the same type of people on the other side, not the corrupt people, but liberal warriors like Dennis Kucinich, Barney Sanders, Mike Gravel in the 70's, these are real deal liberals who actually believe they are doing the right thing for the country. Now the Tea Party is the real deal group who also think they are doing right by their country. But the people who are actually trying to do right are the ones basically cancelling each other out. And there is a huge chunk in the middle who are only out for themselves, think Ted Kennedy, Joe Libermann, John McCain, Barney Frank, and the list goes on and on. These people set the agenda, they are the ones who basically run congress. The peoples house is ran by people who have been in too long. Congress can truly represent the people, it's impossible to control who gets into congress. Of course the belief is that no one has to buy seats when the establishment is fairly certain any normal person would eventually become corrupted by Washington's culture. Most people's senator or representative can be contacted, and for the most part they listen. But some of you know, if your congress person has so many years in the house or senate, they are out of touch with their state, their district and reality.

The White House has a set agenda. Everyone who has meet Obama has said the same thing, his the most approachable guy they've meet, he knows your name and remembers it very quickly and he loves to joke. He also comes off as the most intelligent man you've ever meet. Also, everyone said is very genuine when he talks. The people around him are also suppose to be the same way. But no matter how much Obama looks you in the eye, agrees with you and said he'll make it better, it never gets better. The White House does not seem to be ran by Obama, but everyone else around him. He has people around him who do not fit his ideals, yet these people make the decisions and Obama comes off as this hero for the middle class but in reality does nothing he said he'd do. Something controls the White House, something sets the agenda and something controls what the president does. And it's not the president. This leads me to my next thing.

The president is a figure head. The reason nothing much has changed from Bush to Obama as far as how the presidency is done, is because something is setting what the president does. Obama maybe one of the smartest men that people have meet, but his not the one controlling the country. His just the figure head. Under Obama, we still could go to war any second, even though Obama himself is against war. Under Obama, even though he truly believes in investing in education, and even proposed to increase funding education, at the end of the day his budget will always flat fund education. Obama is not acting on how he believes, his acting on how someone is telling him to act. So how did we get such a president.

Well looking at who runs for president, there is always these characteristics. The establishment who are the gate keepers of the White House allow certain people to run. If they like you, you can run. They allow certain people to run as a voice different than theirs so that people can believe we have a democracy. Ron Paul in 2008, Mike Gravel in 2008, Dennis Kucinich in 2004 and 2008, Michele Bachmann in 2012. They are not part of the establishment, but the establishment allows them to voice themselves so you think you are being represented. In order to actually be a serious person for president though, you have to sell yourself. Clinton in 1992 was sat down and told how his presidency was going to go. Bush was already connected and Dick Cheney even made himself vice-president. Obama, not sure but I'm getting a full idea talking to my insider friends. It sounds like his cabinet was chosen for him coming in, so he might have been picked once he started to pull away from Clinton. It's said Hillary is not in good health right now, and that might have been known going in so Obama was her replacement. But the presidency is basically theater. Enjoy the show.

And yes, Ron Paul sold out. Rand Paul is the talk to be a serious VP candidate. Ron Paul's goal is his son's future more so than the people. Paul was a warrior, but he wants his son to finally get to where he couldn't get to. I know a person who not only knows Rand Paul, but rode from Kentucky to Washington DC with him. She talked to him about many issues, and he seemed to agree. The moment they got to Washington, he got out the car and simply said to her, "Ma'am I think you made wonderful points, but I just can't  buy it." Paul's issues are not his own, they are set by someone who is grooming him to use his father's name to unite the Republican Party in the next 8 years. It might be this year as a VP candidate, or in 2016. The same in the Democrat said is being talked about, but Hillary is said to not be doing well. One friend said she looked "dead." So if Paul is not on the ticket this year, look for Obama to win, if Paul is on the ticket this year, look for Romney to win.

Oh yeah, your vote counts, it really does. But don't think it matters on the national level. The president's agenda is already set. Obama hasn't talked tough on gas prices, why? Because he can't do anything about it. The guys running, they know that too. In congress you have to find honest people who are in the representative positions. The establishment counts on people selling their souls for power. Most congressmen and women do. The establishment lets your Ron Pauls and Dennis Kucinichs do what they do, because for everyone of them, there are 10 who sold their soul. It's just the facts of life.

Now I am very involved in my local Democratic Party. I am a committee member, I am a director of our PAC, now Super PAC. I can honestly say, local politics is honest politics, except for those that grab power and try to control it. From what I'm learning, this is the best action, because it's locally that determines who gets sent nationally. So there is hope, but it takes everyone actually getting involved, not just on this board but nationally. And that's something the establishment knows will never happen.
 

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It doesn't matter. No one will ever get to be president and run things regardless if they're honest at local level and work their way up whilst keeping their unsold "souls" in tact... If people, namely presidents try to go against the system, what tend to happen is huge successful smear campaigns, or assassinations. JFK talked about getting the white house back, about giving the country back and about these 'secret societies', and look what happened. No one has dared on that level ever again to go against the higher authority, and Ron Paul never would either if he were to become president
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Come on, m dogg, the financial collapse was engineered to bring about an EU which becomes the defacto European state.
They told the italian people and the greek people that they do not decide who run their respective countries when they appointed technocrats (this is just a word for brought in through dictatorial means).

It's all about bringing a new order to the world, this is what the financial times wrote in 2008....you can choose not to "believe" but real changes are taking place.
We all know too that to all intents and purposes that the american constitution has now been eviscerated.....


I have never believed that there is a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I have never seen black helicopters hovering in the sky above Montana. But, for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible.

A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations. It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws. The European Union has already set up a continental government for 27 countries, which could be a model. The EU has a supreme court, a currency, thousands of pages of law, a large civil service and the ability to deploy military force.

So could the European model go global? There are three reasons for thinking that it might.

First, it is increasingly clear that the most difficult issues facing national governments are international in nature: there is global warming, a global financial crisis and a “global war on terror”.

Second, it could be done. The transport and communications revolutions have shrunk the world so that, as Geoffrey Blainey, an eminent Australian historian, has written: “For the first time in human history, world government of some sort is now possible.” Mr Blainey foresees an attempt to form a world government at some point in the next two centuries, which is an unusually long time horizon for the average newspaper column.

But – the third point – a change in the political atmosphere suggests that “global governance” could come much sooner than that. The financial crisis and climate change are pushing national governments towards global solutions, even in countries such as China and the US that are traditionally fierce guardians of national sovereignty.

Barack Obama, America’s president-in-waiting, does not share the Bush administration’s disdain for international agreements and treaties. In his book, The Audacity of Hope, he argued that: “When the world’s sole superpower willingly restrains its power and abides by internationally agreed-upon standards of conduct, it sends a message that these are rules worth following.” The importance that Mr Obama attaches to the UN is shown by the fact that he has appointed Susan Rice, one of his closest aides, as America’s ambassador to the UN, and given her a seat in the cabinet.

A taste of the ideas doing the rounds in Obama circles is offered by a recent report from the Managing Global Insecurity project, whose small US advisory group includes John Podesta, the man heading Mr Obama’s transition team and Strobe Talbott, the president of the Brookings Institution, from which Ms Rice has just emerged.

The MGI report argues for the creation of a UN high commissioner for counter-terrorist activity, a legally binding climate-change agreement negotiated under the auspices of the UN and the creation of a 50,000-strong UN peacekeeping force. Once countries had pledged troops to this reserve army, the UN would have first call upon them.

These are the kind of ideas that get people reaching for their rifles in America’s talk-radio heartland. Aware of the political sensitivity of its ideas, the MGI report opts for soothing language. It emphasises the need for American leadership and uses the term, “responsible sovereignty” – when calling for international co-operation – rather than the more radical-sounding phrase favoured in Europe, “shared sovereignty”. It also talks about “global governance” rather than world government.

But some European thinkers think that they recognise what is going on. Jacques Attali, an adviser to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, argues that: “Global governance is just a euphemism for global government.” As far as he is concerned, some form of global government cannot come too soon. Mr Attali believes that the “core of the international financial crisis is that we have global financial markets and no global rule of law”.

So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government.

But let us not get carried away. While it seems feasible that some sort of world government might emerge over the next century, any push for “global governance” in the here and now will be a painful, slow process.

There are good and bad reasons for this. The bad reason is a lack of will and determination on the part of national, political leaders who – while they might like to talk about “a planet in peril” – are ultimately still much more focused on their next election, at home.

But this “problem” also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance will be slow sledding. Even in the EU – the heartland of law-based international government – the idea remains unpopular. The EU has suffered a series of humiliating defeats in referendums, when plans for “ever closer union” have been referred to the voters. In general, the Union has progressed fastest when far-reaching deals have been agreed by technocrats and politicians – and then pushed through without direct reference to the voters. International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic.

The world’s most pressing political problems may indeed be international in nature, but the average citizen’s political identity remains stubbornly local. Until somebody cracks this problem, that plan for world government may have to stay locked away in a safe at the UN.

 

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Congrats on at least opening your eyes a bit, although you are heavily brainwashed and still buy into false paradigms like repub vs dem. Someday you will realize that they are controlled by the same people, they just provide the illusion of choice. Its a play on the tribal mentality aka my team is better than yours, an highlighting superficial differences (gay marriage, abortion) while concealing that they all agree on a fiat currency enslavement system, pro war, pro spending, biggggg government, etc.

BOTH PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT ON MUCH MORE THAN THEY TELL YOU ON TV.

Bush and Obama agree on 98% philosophically.

The US has been fascist (merging of corporation and govt as defined by Mussolini), and both sides serve that cause. This is not a new development at all.
 

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Just read some more...

So Ron sold out because his son is popular? Wrong. Rand is indeed no Ron, more hawkish and influenced by Israel. Ron is not. Rand is MUCH more palatable to the establishment than Ron.

And FYI, your vote doesn't count. Stalin said it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes. Electronic anonymous voting is the norm because it allows the counters to defraud the voters for their ends. I'm sorry you believe that it makes a difference.

Ron Paul will consistently have 4000+ at his rallies the night before primaries, where others get a couple dozen, yet miraculously 1000s manifest to vote for any candidate but Ron.
 

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Being a part of a super PAC shows that you don't get it. Lobbyists are a major problem.

I do agree that on a very local level, politics can be on the up and up (def not always). The higher up you go, the more they are influenced by outside forces.

Do you think that those families from Egypt and Rome that had all the wealth on the world magically disappeared and gave all their money away? No, you don't own the world for thousands of years and give it up. You put figureheads in place to appease the masses, but they do your bidding.

Obama is CIA, Bush (both) are CIA, etc.

You buy into the romantic BS that America was founded by good guys, they were all agents of Britain and Masonic orders.
 

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Being a part of a super PAC shows that you don't get it. Lobbyists are a major problem.

I do agree that on a very local level, politics can be on the up and up (def not always). The higher up you go, the more they are influenced by outside forces.

Do you think that those families from Egypt and Rome that had all the wealth on the world magically disappeared and gave all their money away? No, you don't own the world for thousands of years and give it up. You put figureheads in place to appease the masses, but they do your bidding.

Obama is CIA, Bush (both) are CIA, etc.

You buy into the romantic BS that America was founded by good guys, they were all agents of Britain and Masonic orders.

Yeah Jrome dropping some truth, same w/ Virtuoso although he underestimates the power of manipulation used by the elites to hoodwink the sheeple...but Jrome I think its possible that even though many founding fatherse were freemasons...the system they did not realize how infiltrated these secret societies were by the dark powers (George Washingtons quotes prove that he thought he was in a positive spiritual organization that he realized was being slwoly taken over by the dark lords). the constitution and whole division of powers system seems to be a direct response to the british colonialist shitstem they were setting up to enslave the masses of the world...it providedt the common people with an understanding of the most important principles they must guard against tyranny with...

and mdogg, u dont believe in iluminati?? just look at how the pyramid symbolizes illuminati...the sheep at the bottom are the ignorant masses believing in the theatre, then on top are ppl who dont trust the system but at least are trying to fight it after realizing tis a scam (tea party) then theres people who only have partial view of system like police, military, then theres politicians who have more understanding like the people who exposed all this to u...then theres people who are the most imporatant politicians with most power and greater understanding and so on and on....

of course believing or knowing theres illuminati origanizations out thtere doesnt mean u believe everything comming from every1 talking about illumanti as they are masters of informational warfare (i mean they have brainwashed EVERYBODY and all of us for most of our lives!) so they spread false knowledge about themselves and the world under cover of being "truth" to deceive us and lead us astray and keep us from uniting as a group... ::)
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WOW, did you guys even read my post?

to virtuoso. You are getting into banking. I would never deny the shadiness in banking. Is it Illuminati, well who knows. What I do know is that the banking industries around the world are causing a shift in the world economy and the world is facing a very difficult time. I would never ever put anything passed the banks. Are they trying to ruin the world's economy? I would believe it because it's very likely.

to Jrome. I think what I said and where you are, are wwwhhhhhyyyy far apart. See, you sound like someone who has never left your state, gone to your state capital, meet you local representatives or even meet educated people. Let me break this down.

Congrats on at least opening your eyes a bit, although you are heavily brainwashed and still buy into false paradigms like repub vs dem. Someday you will realize that they are controlled by the same people, they just provide the illusion of choice. Its a play on the tribal mentality aka my team is better than yours, an highlighting superficial differences (gay marriage, abortion) while concealing that they all agree on a fiat currency enslavement system, pro war, pro spending, biggggg government, etc.

BOTH PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT ON MUCH MORE THAN THEY TELL YOU ON TV.

Bush and Obama agree on 98% philosophically.

The US has been fascist (merging of corporation and govt as defined by Mussolini), and both sides serve that cause. This is not a new development at all.

I don't disagree completely with this. For some reason you think that I posted that there was a difference in congress between parties. I said there is a difference between Ron Paul (pre selling out) and Dennis Kucinich (pre getting taken out), but for the large majority in congress there is no difference. Congress is too hard to control, no super world power can control congress because they can't control who gets in there. But they can corrupted them once they get in. The culture in Washington DC is corrupted, and as my friend who grew up there, and worked for politicians said, "you see many good men become crooked politicians over night in this town (DC)." Obama has NOT done anything to change from Bush, his just a more articulate face for the government. And you and I agree with the Facist statement 100%.

Just read some more...

So Ron sold out because his son is popular? Wrong. Rand is indeed no Ron, more hawkish and influenced by Israel. Ron is not. Rand is MUCH more palatable to the establishment than Ron.

And FYI, your vote doesn't count. Stalin said it doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes. Electronic anonymous voting is the norm because it allows the counters to defraud the voters for their ends. I'm sorry you believe that it makes a difference.

Ron Paul will consistently have 4000+ at his rallies the night before primaries, where others get a couple dozen, yet miraculously 1000s manifest to vote for any candidate but Ron.

When you get into the inside of the political world, you learn Paul is no different than the rest now. Paul's job is to get people like you to support him, then at the convention he'll lose and maybe even have his own convention. But then his son will be nominated for VP and then that will unite the Libertarian vote and the Neo-Con Republican vote. This is already talked about, this was THE talk of the insiders in DC. If it doesn't happen this year, then look for 2016. Ron Paul is the Republican's Pied Piper. Right now, it is better for the establishment (you can call this the Illuminati if you want) to keep everyone in two parties. Right now, what would be young Republicans are now Libertarians. So in order to bring control back to political world, Ron Paul's son will be VP in the next 8 years and Paul is bringing you back to the Republican Party. If it doesn't happen this year, it WILL happen in 2016. Remember, I have friends who are insiders, that are next to congress people 24/7, and they let me know a thing or two. Not as much as I'd like, but they gave me a heads up on that.

Being a part of a super PAC shows that you don't get it. Lobbyists are a major problem.

I do agree that on a very local level, politics can be on the up and up (def not always). The higher up you go, the more they are influenced by outside forces.

Do you think that those families from Egypt and Rome that had all the wealth on the world magically disappeared and gave all their money away? No, you don't own the world for thousands of years and give it up. You put figureheads in place to appease the masses, but they do your bidding.

Obama is CIA, Bush (both) are CIA, etc.

You buy into the romantic BS that America was founded by good guys, they were all agents of Britain and Masonic orders.

Here goes the break down of my political involvement. My "Super PAC" is the local Democrat Farmer Labor Senate District 57 Super PAC. We meet once a month as a pizza place, we have to buy our own pizza (usually we take turns buying the pizza and beer), we organize fund raisers and buy fliers and hands outs for our local Democrat races. All the people in our area running for state senate know me by name and face, my neighbors work on their campaigns. When we have elected someone, I have neighbors who work on their staffs and organize their meetings. Trust me, it's about as "up and up" politics as you get.

For the lobbying. Do you know what lobbying is? Many think lobbying is buying congressmen expensive dinners and gifts so they can vote a certain way. This is corporate lobbying. People lobbying is calling your congressman, making a meeting and then meeting a staffer to explain your position, flying to DC and meeting your senators. This is what I do, and since I know some staffers I have been able to meet the Minnesota senators in person and talk to them about issues. Like what was said about Obama, they meet you and seem to listen. Only Al Franken actually takes action though, he's earning my trust more and more.

This is my political involvement. I am not doing the Obama thing again, I am staying local and trying to figure out how to get honest people to represent me.

And Quake and Jrome, if you think virtuoso is underestimating the Illuminati, yet you don't think the Illuminati can get Ron Paul on your side, then I truly believe you need to look in the mirror and find out what you really believe. Ron Paul is NOT Superman.
 

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That's projection homie.  Look it up.  It's a psychological defense mechanism.  Basically you are feeling embarrassed about being fooled by Obama so you want to project that onto Ron Paul supporters.  But Ron Paul is a principled man, and he's done nothing to embarrass his followers.. your reaching
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We'll see, but I was calling the Ron Paul shit in 2008. Look it up. I just actually am able to back that up now.
 

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We'll see, but I was calling the Ron Paul shit in 2008. Look it up. I just actually am able to back that up now.


A man can still want his son to succeed at what his son believes and not believe in it himself. I don't think Ronald Reagan ever got in little Ron Regan's way, and had Ronnie Reagan not stuck to his athiest guns and ran as a democrat in 2004 I think he'd have beaten Bush, based on his name AND his father's support alone.


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We'll see, but I was calling the Ron Paul shit in 2008. Look it up. I just actually am able to back that up now.

I remember you coming with this back in 2008.  You were wrong then and you are wrong now.  Just face it, Ron Paul is the truth. 
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Honestly, I think it's pretty naive to think that just because you have some relation close to Washington that all the corruption and secrets are thrown at you. If that were the case, every Joe-Schmo that gets close to Washington would know & it would leak and spread like wildfire. There are things only a highly select few know about. It doesn't take a politics major to know there is corruption in government. There is corruption in the Ice Cream truck business. If money is exchanging, there is corruption.

Then again, I'm an extremist to the point of Jrome.
 

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Really what this is, is you partially acknowledging being duped, but youre unable to take it like a man. So now you're in here trying to say Ron Paul was a setup from the beginning to get Rand in the white house in 2012? That's some wild assumptions bro.  Ron has been in congress since 1988 as both a libertarian and GOP candidate. So I don't think the fix has been in for 24 years, as Paul has always been despised by the establishment yet highly respected amongst his constituents because of his principals.

As far as the convention was concerned, it is possible that there will be a brokered convention if one of the candidates doesn't reach the minimum amount of delegates. Basically then all bets are off, and this is where someone like Rand, JEB BUSH, or Sarah Palin could get ushered in. Jeb and GW senior visited Obama at the white house about 2 months ago, reported on drudge.

Like I said, Rand is def no Ron, more of a warhawk and more influenced by Israel. That changes nothing about Ron Paul.

You haven't said shit since 2008 and aren't saying shit now. Peace
 

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Let's lay down some guild lines, I still don't believe in this New World Order, Illuminati, dollar bill type shit. But I do think something is up in Washington. As I get older, and my college friends get deeper into their careers, I have really good friends in Washington, I mean really really good friends. I have friends that have direct contact with people in Obama's cabinet, who are the right hand person for a senator, or congressman. These are Washington insiders who work directly with people you see in the news everyday. Talking to them, visiting Washington, I have learned more about Washington and the people that work in it than I ever could imagine. Notice I didn't say run Washington. Here is what I have learned.

Throw out Democrats and Republicans right now, although it actually means something, this is not important to what I'm about to say. Democrat and Republican mean something in congress, it's huge. There is so much going on it's sad. Everything you see on TV in the news, yes these people are dysfunctional. But that's not the important part. What's important is that senators and representatives are allowed to stay on too long. Here is the problem, the longer they stay, the more and more corrupt they become. Washington is a place that can easily corrupt you, and once you are corrupt, you are now useless to the people you serve.

The Tea Party has NO idea how government works. I had a friend attend a Tea Party meeting, and it was basically the Tea Party leaders yelling at congress people that they have failed and that they have not repealed Obamacare, they have not cut taxes yet. Basically the Tea Party thought after 2010, that the Tea Party would run over the Democrats. The Democrats have the same type of people on the other side, not the corrupt people, but liberal warriors like Dennis Kucinich, Barney Sanders, Mike Gravel in the 70's, these are real deal liberals who actually believe they are doing the right thing for the country. Now the Tea Party is the real deal group who also think they are doing right by their country. But the people who are actually trying to do right are the ones basically cancelling each other out. And there is a huge chunk in the middle who are only out for themselves, think Ted Kennedy, Joe Libermann, John McCain, Barney Frank, and the list goes on and on. These people set the agenda, they are the ones who basically run congress. The peoples house is ran by people who have been in too long. Congress can truly represent the people, it's impossible to control who gets into congress. Of course the belief is that no one has to buy seats when the establishment is fairly certain any normal person would eventually become corrupted by Washington's culture. Most people's senator or representative can be contacted, and for the most part they listen. But some of you know, if your congress person has so many years in the house or senate, they are out of touch with their state, their district and reality.

The White House has a set agenda. Everyone who has meet Obama has said the same thing, his the most approachable guy they've meet, he knows your name and remembers it very quickly and he loves to joke. He also comes off as the most intelligent man you've ever meet. Also, everyone said is very genuine when he talks. The people around him are also suppose to be the same way. But no matter how much Obama looks you in the eye, agrees with you and said he'll make it better, it never gets better. The White House does not seem to be ran by Obama, but everyone else around him. He has people around him who do not fit his ideals, yet these people make the decisions and Obama comes off as this hero for the middle class but in reality does nothing he said he'd do. Something controls the White House, something sets the agenda and something controls what the president does. And it's not the president. This leads me to my next thing.

The president is a figure head. The reason nothing much has changed from Bush to Obama as far as how the presidency is done, is because something is setting what the president does. Obama maybe one of the smartest men that people have meet, but his not the one controlling the country. His just the figure head. Under Obama, we still could go to war any second, even though Obama himself is against war. Under Obama, even though he truly believes in investing in education, and even proposed to increase funding education, at the end of the day his budget will always flat fund education. Obama is not acting on how he believes, his acting on how someone is telling him to act. So how did we get such a president.

Well looking at who runs for president, there is always these characteristics. The establishment who are the gate keepers of the White House allow certain people to run. If they like you, you can run. They allow certain people to run as a voice different than theirs so that people can believe we have a democracy. Ron Paul in 2008, Mike Gravel in 2008, Dennis Kucinich in 2004 and 2008, Michele Bachmann in 2012. They are not part of the establishment, but the establishment allows them to voice themselves so you think you are being represented. In order to actually be a serious person for president though, you have to sell yourself. Clinton in 1992 was sat down and told how his presidency was going to go. Bush was already connected and Dick Cheney even made himself vice-president. Obama, not sure but I'm getting a full idea talking to my insider friends. It sounds like his cabinet was chosen for him coming in, so he might have been picked once he started to pull away from Clinton. It's said Hillary is not in good health right now, and that might have been known going in so Obama was her replacement. But the presidency is basically theater. Enjoy the show.

And yes, Ron Paul sold out. Rand Paul is the talk to be a serious VP candidate. Ron Paul's goal is his son's future more so than the people. Paul was a warrior, but he wants his son to finally get to where he couldn't get to. I know a person who not only knows Rand Paul, but rode from Kentucky to Washington DC with him. She talked to him about many issues, and he seemed to agree. The moment they got to Washington, he got out the car and simply said to her, "Ma'am I think you made wonderful points, but I just can't  buy it." Paul's issues are not his own, they are set by someone who is grooming him to use his father's name to unite the Republican Party in the next 8 years. It might be this year as a VP candidate, or in 2016. The same in the Democrat said is being talked about, but Hillary is said to not be doing well. One friend said she looked "dead." So if Paul is not on the ticket this year, look for Obama to win, if Paul is on the ticket this year, look for Romney to win.

Oh yeah, your vote counts, it really does. But don't think it matters on the national level. The president's agenda is already set. Obama hasn't talked tough on gas prices, why? Because he can't do anything about it. The guys running, they know that too. In congress you have to find honest people who are in the representative positions. The establishment counts on people selling their souls for power. Most congressmen and women do. The establishment lets your Ron Pauls and Dennis Kucinichs do what they do, because for everyone of them, there are 10 who sold their soul. It's just the facts of life.

Now I am very involved in my local Democratic Party. I am a committee member, I am a director of our PAC, now Super PAC. I can honestly say, local politics is honest politics, except for those that grab power and try to control it. From what I'm learning, this is the best action, because it's locally that determines who gets sent nationally. So there is hope, but it takes everyone actually getting involved, not just on this board but nationally. And that's something the establishment knows will never happen.



 

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Honestly, I think it's pretty naive to think that just because you have some relation close to Washington that all the corruption and secrets are thrown at you. If that were the case, every Joe-Schmo that gets close to Washington would know & it would leak and spread like wildfire. There are things only a highly select few know about. It doesn't take a politics major to know there is corruption in government. There is corruption in the Ice Cream truck business. If money is exchanging, there is corruption.

Then again, I'm an extremist to the point of Jrome.

I wasn't saying every secret. And remember, unlike you, I don't believe in the Illuminati, or New World Order or any of that. And no one I know in Washington DC has given me reason. But some people I know are very close friends. Like friends I honestly kicked it with 24/7 and we know a lot about each other. So I get in a little bit more than most.

Really what this is, is you partially acknowledging being duped, but youre unable to take it like a man. So now you're in here trying to say Ron Paul was a setup from the beginning to get Rand in the white house in 2012? That's some wild assumptions bro.  Ron has been in congress since 1988 as both a libertarian and GOP candidate. So I don't think the fix has been in for 24 years, as Paul has always been despised by the establishment yet highly respected amongst his constituents because of his principals.

As far as the convention was concerned, it is possible that there will be a brokered convention if one of the candidates doesn't reach the minimum amount of delegates. Basically then all bets are off, and this is where someone like Rand, JEB BUSH, or Sarah Palin could get ushered in. Jeb and GW senior visited Obama at the white house about 2 months ago, reported on drudge.

Like I said, Rand is def no Ron, more of a warhawk and more influenced by Israel. That changes nothing about Ron Paul.

You haven't said shit since 2008 and aren't saying shit now. Peace

I called it in 2008. I'm calling it now. But I have a little knowledge this time, in either this year, or 2016, you'll be asked by Ron Paul to support his son. This year you may just see an Obama landslide, and if that's the case you WOULDN'T see Rand Paul on the ticket. The Paul family will be used to unite your guys to the Republican Party.

And to say I was fooled. LOL... Look, you put your stock in someone who is so confident that they think they can hold the world's most powerful office, you put yourself out there. Has it paid off, yes and no. Obama has been good in some things, the same as Bush in others. For me, you can say fuck your dollar bill conspiracies, fuck the reptile alien people, fuck a one world government, and especially fuck the idea that the gold standard will fix everything because we are too fucked up for that to work. Straight up, No one who has a voice is worth listening to. I called it in 2008, there is something up with Ron Paul, and I'm warning you now, look into him, how can someone be like Ron Paul, yet a favorite of Fox News. In 10 years, the goal is for you guys to vote Republican.
 

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Good post, M-dogg.
The elite don't care so intimately about micro-managing control, sure it is important, but their goals and objectives are quite broad so they can afford slack.


It can all go to chaos beneath them, its less of a worry that way. Thats our playground of freedom and struggle. They just need to direct the tides of public opinion.



They are more concerned with advancing knowledge in the sense of moving technology forward, this doesn't mean new cars and tablets, or necessarily in terms of jobs and manufacturing consumer technologies.









 

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How is ron paul a sell out because he wants to see his son succeed in politics?
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See now you're just incoherent babbling about reptilians and shit. Who has ever even mentioned that but you on this board? Basically you're just mad but you don't even know why.
 

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WOW, did you guys even read my post?

to virtuoso. You are getting into banking. I would never deny the shadiness in banking. Is it Illuminati, well who knows. What I do know is that the banking industries around the world are causing a shift in the world economy and the world is facing a very difficult time. I would never ever put anything passed the banks. Are they trying to ruin the world's economy? I would believe it because it's very likely.

That makes no sense, if you issue the currency, then you dictate the direction of the world, you make or break economies.
Is it illuminati? as has been documented the Illuminati cult spread it's ideologies to lodges throughout Europe and even America. Now the driving ideology was a one world dictatorial rule. Therefore it's too simplistic to say it's the banks, they are the engine, but it needs the complicity of the media the "intellectual elite" and the political establishment. So you can "disbelieve" that there is no dictatorial agenda all you want but reality remains, essentially America has become a military dictatorship devoid of rights and European countries have seen their right to elect (even if they are puppets) disappear. That aside though, whether or not Ron Paul is truly one of them, he is good friends with the likes of Romney and what he stands for actually further empowers the criminality of the elite. His so called anti war stance would disappear in a heartbeat with another false flag too. The latter is admittedly my opinion but previous, this is just factual and of course instantly provable.
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Good post Virtuoso.
 

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Just took your post out of the quotes, sorry if you think it's anything more.

I will say that I still have a hard time believing in the Illuminati, because I think there is no way that a select few can completely control the masses. There is too much, especially at 7 billion people world wide. Now granted 3 billion are in China and India alone, so that helps, and Africa is another billion. So 4 billion people are either living in extreme poverty or in two very controllable nations. But 3 billion people are very hard to control, and look for lots and lots of information to be spread. Though maybe, just maybe there might be something up. The rumors I heard are starting to show some life.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-endorses-romney-wisc-poll-shows-romney-140228255.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150765860427667_23066648_10150766083182667#f3bc33bbfc

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Wisconsin congressman and deficit hawk Paul Ryan endorsed Mitt Romney today, as an NBC/Marist poll showed that the former Massachusetts governor is leading Rick Santorum 40 percent to 33 percent in the state.
The House Budget Committee Chairman and rising GOP star said on "Fox and Friends" Friday morning that the long primary could become "counterproductive."
"We need to coalesce as conservatives around Mitt Romney," Ryan said. "The longer we drag it out, the harder it is to win in November."
"I am convinced that Mitt Romney has the skills, the tenacity, the principles, the courage and the integrity to do what it takes to get America back on track," he said.
Romney said he was "grateful" for the endorsement.
Ryan's nod for Romney follows high-profile endorsements from Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former President George H.W. Bush earlier this week. The Wisconsin primary is Tuesday.
Nearly 75 percent of Wisconsin Republicans said they approved of Ryan in a November poll, compared to 40 percent of the state's voters overall.
 

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I still think it's hard to believe the government is so open as to where affiliates (what you are) to people affiliated with Washington can get the scoop that the rest of the world doesn't see lol.

& haven't you been to a sporting event? 50 thousand people & one guy starts chanting "MVP" when Kobe is on the line & the entire stadium joins him. With full control of mass media, the facade of government looking people dead in the eye & saying "Don't worry guys, we got you...just go live life. We'll handle the rest" and shit like that, it isn't as hard as it seems. Hence why they just go out & kill anybody whose a serious threat to fucking with that balance.

It's not about mindlessly controlling people. It's fooling people to think a certain way. Fooling people to where you look at me & say "Nigga...there's no way that's true...you're crazy".
 

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You'd be surprise. You see, what happens in the "beltway" says in the beltway. What info I can get away with is what my friends volunteer. No one is volunteering big stuff, just the stuff you'll see play out over the next few months. It looks like the the "establishment" or "party elders" are going to shut down Obama's presidency. I don't know why, I don't know what there is to gain. But the Supreme Court decision on the Obamacare Act will weaken him, gas prices are going up which usually spells doom for the president, and it looks like the Pauls will join Romney. My friends might have just told me because it's going to happen, it's something that's safe to leak out there. But it's not like they are telling me about big secrets. Just shit I will see and say... cool.
 

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the pauls are sell outs