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Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« on: February 22, 2003, 04:15:32 PM »
Well, maybe (just maybe) not yet, but I guarantee that by the end of his career he will be the best player to ever play...He will never be recognized as the greatest, and the reason is because at the time Jordan came into the league, individual athlete mareketing just began...Jordan was just there at the right time...Kobe is only 24 and is already playing as good as Jordan in his prime...Jordan didn't develop a left hand 'till he was 27...Kobe came into the league straight from High School with a left hand...I've spoken with 2 college coaches about this subject and we all agreed...When Jordan was in the league, the NBA didn't have the talent it does today...They had Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, and Isiah Thomas. That's about it...There were no high flying players on every team like there are today...Today it's so much more competetive then it was in Jordan's time...Kobe is/will be the greatest player to ever play in the NBA, but because of the way the sports industry/marketing works, he will never be recognized as the greatest...Bottom line...PeACe
 

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2003, 05:22:32 PM »
Drexler...Ewing..Olajuwon...Malone...MAGIC...BIRD...Kareem...Barkely...Thomas...Mullin...JORDAN...are u sure they didnt have the same amount of talent back then?...lol...
 

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Re:Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2003, 05:42:15 PM »
Well, maybe (just maybe) not yet, but I guarantee that by the end of his career he will be the best player to ever play...He will never be recognized as the greatest, and the reason is because at the time Jordan came into the league, individual athlete mareketing just began...Jordan was just there at the right time...Kobe is only 24 and is already playing as good as Jordan in his prime...Jordan didn't develop a left hand 'till he was 27...Kobe came into the league straight from High School with a left hand...I've spoken with 2 college coaches about this subject and we all agreed...When Jordan was in the league, the NBA didn't have the talent it does today...They had Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, and Isiah Thomas. That's about it...There were no high flying players on every team like there are today...Today it's so much more competetive then it was in Jordan's time...Kobe is/will be the greatest player to ever play in the NBA, but because of the way the sports industry/marketing works, he will never be recognized as the greatest...Bottom line...PeACe
we had this discusion before and dont get wrong kobe is amazing but no way is he the greatest player ever.....atleast not yet....but he might possibly be but he has a long way to go......
 

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Re:Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2003, 07:42:07 PM »
eventually he will be but people wont ever give him any crddit for ebin the greatest cause they will always be on michaels nuts
 

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Re:Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2003, 10:36:32 PM »
Drexler...Ewing..Olajuwon...Malone...MAGIC...BIRD...Kareem...Barkely...Thomas...Mullin...JORDAN...are u sure they didnt have the same amount of talent back then?...lol...



I was talking about high fly acts...Explosive type of players...LoL...when I speak, I don't speak out of my ass...PeACe
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2003, 10:43:56 PM »
Drexler...Ewing..Olajuwon...Malone...MAGIC...BIRD...Kareem...Barkely...Thomas...Mullin...JORDAN...are u sure they didnt have the same amount of talent back then?...lol...



I was talking about high fly acts...Explosive type of players...LoL...when I speak, I don't speak out of my ass...PeACe
an back in the day there was more skill players
 

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2003, 12:27:53 AM »
Drexler...Ewing..Olajuwon...Malone...MAGIC...BIRD...Kareem...Barkely...Thomas...Mullin...JORDAN...are u sure they didnt have the same amount of talent back then?...lol...



I was talking about high fly acts...Explosive type of players...LoL...when I speak, I don't speak out of my ass...PeACe
an back in the day there was more skill players


So you're saying the talent level in the NBA was better back in the day? LMAO
 

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2003, 12:56:35 AM »
Drexler...Ewing..Olajuwon...Malone...MAGIC...BIRD...Kareem...Barkely...Thomas...Mullin...JORDAN...are u sure they didnt have the same amount of talent back then?...lol...



I was talking about high fly acts...Explosive type of players...LoL...when I speak, I don't speak out of my ass...PeACe
an back in the day there was more skill players


So you're saying the talent level in the NBA was better back in the day? LMAO
no,  now a days there is more flash type players.  back in the day there was more skill type players
 

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2003, 01:05:50 AM »
im readin this tread an i have come to the conclusion nik has no clue what he is talkin about actin like the nba was filled with a bunch of mark madsens back in the day.  there were a lot of players back in the day that are the equivlilant of 2days players. good solid players nothing more an people dont talk about them much now cuz they werent superstars.  there were jus as many players than that were on the same talent level of the jalen roses, mike bibbys,  an wally szerbiacks.  good players but 15 years from now u wont hear much about them.  mark price any1 remember him.  an there a lot of guys jordan played against in the early an mid 90's that were in there prime than that people seem 2 forget.  reggie miller,  david robinson,  tim hardaway,  alozon mouring,  shawn kemp back when he had game,  mad people.  you act like jordan was playin against guys the equivilant of your junior varsity high school team.  i admit todays talent is better but not like your makin it out 2 be
 

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2003, 01:07:44 AM »
im readin this tread an i have come to the conclusion nik has no clue what he is talkin about actin like the nba was filled with a bunch of mark madsens back in the day.  there were a lot of players back in the day that are the equivlilant of 2days players. good solid players nothing more an people dont talk about them much now cuz they werent superstars.  there were jus as many players than that were on the same talent level of the jalen roses, mike bibbys,  an wally szerbiacks.  good players but 15 years from now u wont hear much about them.  mark price any1 remember him.  an there a lot of guys jordan played against in the early an mid 90's that were in there prime than that people seem 2 forget.  reggie miller,  david robinson,  tim hardaway,  alozon mouring,  shawn kemp back when he had game,  mad people.  you act like jordan was playin against guys the equivilant of your junior varsity high school team.  i admit todays talent is better but not like your makin it out 2 be
i really dont even agree with the talent being better....i think its about the same......
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2003, 01:32:31 AM »
oh  yea one more thing,  theres a lot more to basketball than jus high flyin moves an spectacular moves.  damn son theres A LOT u need to learn about b-ball
 

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2003, 02:06:54 AM »
kobe is the best right now but i don't know about of all time.

no doubt he'll be considered ONE of the best  and be in the NBA's top 75 of all time when they make that list again but he won't be number ONE


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Re:Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2003, 03:49:24 AM »
Well, maybe (just maybe) not yet, but I guarantee that by the end of his career he will be the best player to ever play...He will never be recognized as the greatest, and the reason is because at the time Jordan came into the league, individual athlete mareketing just began...Jordan was just there at the right time...Kobe is only 24 and is already playing as good as Jordan in his prime...Jordan didn't develop a left hand 'till he was 27...Kobe came into the league straight from High School with a left hand...I've spoken with 2 college coaches about this subject and we all agreed...When Jordan was in the league, the NBA didn't have the talent it does today...They had Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, and Isiah Thomas. That's about it...There were no high flying players on every team like there are today...Today it's so much more competetive then it was in Jordan's time...Kobe is/will be the greatest player to ever play in the NBA, but because of the way the sports industry/marketing works, he will never be recognized as the greatest...Bottom line...PeACe

Remember, u cant compare talent....of an older player..and newer player. Only, how good they are for THEIR time. Players ALWAYS get better as time goes on. Players 40 yrs ago hardly ever dribbled with their lefts lol. That doesnt mean they sucked. As for Kobe, calling him the greatest...is a stretch...and thas a HUGE understatement. He's real good righ now tho. Plus, u cant really guarentee what he WILL be by the time he's done...Griffey was supposed to be the greatest slugger of all time by the time his career was up, probably gonna pass Hank Aaron's homerun record....but shit happens.
 

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2003, 06:33:55 AM »
I dont think Kobe will be ranked up there with Jordan, Magic, Bird etc until he gets some leadership ability. Sure he's a great player and scores a lot of points, but he can't lead that team. Without Big man they wouldn't win shit when it comes to playoff time.

Like Tom said its so much more to the game than scoring points or doing some flash dunks, I'm sure Kobe will probably develop these skills in time but right now he's still way off.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2003, 06:36:04 AM »
Yeah, I think the talent level before was just as  good, maybe better.  The game was different, because it has evolved.  If Kobe's been watching basketball, he knows to be good you need to be fast and high flying, so that's how he trains; that doesn't mean he's better than Pete Maravich who was an awesome shooter.  I'd say half of the showtime lakers team was near Kobe's talent, for real.  
 

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2003, 01:40:29 PM »
LOL at this post ...kobe is not even in the top 10...he's not even the best player in the nba today...he's not even the best player on his team....
 

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2003, 01:44:54 PM »
LOL at this post ...kobe is not even in the top 10...he's not even the best player in the nba today...he's not even the best player on his team....
WORD striaght up......he not even the best player on his team........right now he is but its a streak we have to see how it plays out
 

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2003, 06:48:53 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2003, 07:16:05 PM »
Personally, I think you could take any championship team from the 80's.. Celts, Lakes, Detroit.. and they would be nearly unstoppable in todays NBA. The ATHLETIC ability of todays players is so much higher, but the team play, and selflessnes was so much better then. For isntance... if you go to a pick up game at a college... you could put 5 atheltic dudes on a squad, but get the 5 middle age white dudes together who've played on the same team, and they will absolutly run the younger guys. I've seen it happen a million times. I think the 80's and 90's Bad Boys would run this league today. And I hated them back then. Now I look back and think, Damn, why doesn't anyone play hardnosed team ball today. Peeps are tryin to call the Pacers the new bad boys... but they don't hold a fucking candle to those Pistons. Ahhh the memories.
 

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2003, 08:24:41 PM »
Lets just say it was the other way around where Kobe was drafted in '84 to the Bulls and Jordan was drafted in '96 to the Lakers...I guarantee you Kobe woulda' been known as the greatest player to ever play by now...You guys ain't even comin' close to me when it comes to basketball knowledge...You guys just THINK you know...Most of you probably haven't even seen Jordan play live...You just follow what you heard...the media makes out Jordan to be the greatest player, but he's not...And Tom, I know who Mark Price is...Little white 3 point shooter who played for the Cavs...Whats your point? Can Mark Price match up to Kobe defensively? LMAO...NO!...Ya'll don't be knowin, and I don't blame ya'll...I blame the marketing system...PeACe
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2003, 08:43:24 PM »
Lets just say it was the other way around where Kobe was drafted in '84 to the Bulls and Jordan was drafted in '96 to the Lakers...I guarantee you Kobe woulda' been known as the greatest player to ever play by now...You guys ain't even comin' close to me when it comes to basketball knowledge...You guys just THINK you know...Most of you probably haven't even seen Jordan play live...You just follow what you heard...the media makes out Jordan to be the greatest player, but he's not...And Tom, I know who Mark Price is...Little white 3 point shooter who played for the Cavs...Whats your point? Can Mark Price match up to Kobe defensively? LMAO...NO!...Ya'll don't be knowin, and I don't blame ya'll...I blame the marketing system...PeACe

jordan won 6 rings without a great center...without shaq, kobe wouldnt have won shit....jordan is tha greatest...i saw him play live once vs. philly...stack was still on philly then....how many other teams in tha last say 15 years won rings without a dominating center...shaq is tha reason that kobe has tha rings...ya know what kobe would be without shaq....out of tha playoffs.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2003, 12:07:44 AM »
Lets just say it was the other way around where Kobe was drafted in '84 to the Bulls and Jordan was drafted in '96 to the Lakers...I guarantee you Kobe woulda' been known as the greatest player to ever play by now...You guys ain't even comin' close to me when it comes to basketball knowledge...You guys just THINK you know...Most of you probably haven't even seen Jordan play live...You just follow what you heard...the media makes out Jordan to be the greatest player, but he's not...And Tom, I know who Mark Price is...Little white 3 point shooter who played for the Cavs...Whats your point? Can Mark Price match up to Kobe defensively? LMAO...NO!...Ya'll don't be knowin, and I don't blame ya'll...I blame the marketing system...PeACe
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2003, 12:11:06 AM »
Lets just say it was the other way around where Kobe was drafted in '84 to the Bulls and Jordan was drafted in '96 to the Lakers...I guarantee you Kobe woulda' been known as the greatest player to ever play by now...You guys ain't even comin' close to me when it comes to basketball knowledge...You guys just THINK you know...Most of you probably haven't even seen Jordan play live...You just follow what you heard...the media makes out Jordan to be the greatest player, but he's not...And Tom, I know who Mark Price is...Little white 3 point shooter who played for the Cavs...Whats your point? Can Mark Price match up to Kobe defensively? LMAO...NO!...Ya'll don't be knowin, and I don't blame ya'll...I blame the marketing system...PeACe

jordan won 6 rings without a great center...without shaq, kobe wouldnt have won shit....jordan is tha greatest...i saw him play live once vs. philly...stack was still on philly then....how many other teams in tha last say 15 years won rings without a dominating center...shaq is tha reason that kobe has tha rings...ya know what kobe would be without shaq....out of tha playoffs.
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Re:Kobe is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA...
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2003, 04:53:27 AM »
*tryin desperately to get Kobe's dick outta NIK's mouth* lol

anyways, i understand yur a laker fan...and obviously a Kobe fan. But this shit is pretty ridiculous. Its not about marketing. Kobe happens to be lucky enough to be peaking, when Jordan is on the way out. EVERY single player that has EVER been compared to Jordan, has at some point...been shown that they arent on his level. They havent survived the "test of time", that Jordan had. Kobe still hasnt, his popularity is relatively new. Plus, like i said...his prime...is a decade past Jordans...so we cant watch an equal matchup between the 2. You saying that others on here know less then you do, is even funnier...because u couldnt make a rational judgement on thiz shit...based on yur obsession with Kobe. U werent even born yet when Jordan entered the league lol. I aint knockin Kobe on this one, he's actually really good IMO. But to be compared to Jordan, is jus stupid. THAT, is the result of marketing and media. The media ALWAYS needs someone to compare to Jordan, in their attempt to keep fans. No one is being compared to Kobe lol.

As for some of tha other posts on here. I doubt alot of those older....older teams could win many games in todays NBA. Yah, their teamwork was WAY better back then. But, like they say...u cant teach speed. Todays players are WAY too athletic. Can u imagine 30 yrs ago, having a 6'10"-7'0" leading the fast break lol. I dunno how many of u play ball, but whoever made the comment about the "middle aged white guys" winning in a street ball game (sorry if i misquoted some shit), i wanna know where yall live? lol. Cus if yall ever get into sum real shit, yall would know jus how good sum streetballerz are. Ive known and played wit ballers that could be in the NBA tomorrow, if they decided. One muhafucka we used tah ball wit got calls frum tha Lakers even, cuz he dropped 48 points on Kidd in a game down here. Stu Lances son used tah ball at our rec too, he tried out for tha lakers as well. And on top of it, NBA players used to come down to tha courts and play in bullshit leagues ova tha summer...and get killed.

Anywayz, Kobe is far from the greatest ever. Maybe one day he will be...but like i said, Griffey was in the same position...and shit happens. And, teams from 30 yrs ago wouldnt stand a chance in todays game. Shit, i could prolly be in the NBA if i went back in time 30 yrs, and i aint played fah real in like 2 yrs LOL!