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Re:Killer is sentance to DIE BY CHAIR!
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2003, 04:38:20 PM »
Trauma, that point is irrelevant. You're trying to say "well, the US may be wrong, but so are all the rest, so BAH".


No, that's not my point.  My point is, why do we always bash america? Lets bash somebody else for once.  People ignore other countries crap, and only bash the big dog.  
 

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2003, 04:45:23 PM »
No, that's not my point.  My point is, why do we always bash america? Lets bash somebody else for once.  People ignore other countries crap, and only bash the big dog.  

People bash their enemies. Tech bashes the US. I bash Syria, you bash other Mid East countries.
 

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2003, 05:06:15 PM »
i still agree with Nelly in his song Nellyville "If you take a life you gon' lose yours too.."

just think if a family member was murdered, that person is gone, desceased but this guy / gurl that did it is still living, sure he has some torcherous days but he's still here, why should he be able to take a life an still have his.. but thats my opinion.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2003, 05:11:23 PM »
I don't wish death upon the gangmembers who killed my buddies, or the terrorist warlords who ordered the attack that killed my aunt.
 

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2003, 06:31:57 PM »
I don't wish death upon the gangmembers who killed my buddies, or the terrorist warlords who ordered the attack that killed my aunt.

well i guess i just don't like ppl that mess with my family, y'know thats all i got but yet everyones different so that's my knowledge right there
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2003, 06:43:14 PM »
Owen, what's gotten into you? I've noticed the little barbs you've been throwing lately, what did I say something that offended you?  I've went out of my way to be nice to you, and you're treating me like a punk lately.  
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2003, 06:59:00 PM »
I agree with Owen on this one.... and Trauma stop crying, I'm sure he still likes you  ;)
 

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2003, 09:44:00 PM »
I'm not crying, I'm just testing my theory.  
 

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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2003, 04:27:46 AM »
Owen, what's gotten into you? I've noticed the little barbs you've been throwing lately, what did I say something that offended you?  I've went out of my way to be nice to you, and you're treating me like a punk lately.  

How can my last post directed at you be construed as a barb?
 

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Re:Killer is sentance to DIE BY CHAIR!
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2003, 07:47:21 AM »
thats right, the person who killed the three rialto boys.. one being my friend Jason two years ago is being sent to the CHAIR!.... JUSTICE IS SERVED!
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2003, 09:45:02 AM »
Firstly, CWalker, you truly do have some kind of fucked up mentality. Amnesty international in no way concentrates on the western countries. It spends FAR more time on third world countries (note: the campaign to overturn nigerias death sentance by stoning of a woman who commited adultery) I actually have heard very little from them about abuses in western countries. As for iraq, amnesty had been highlighting the crisis there for the last decade and no-one said shit. I can understand you condemning the french government etc, but an organisation that has saved millions does not deserve your branding of it as simply a "left-wing organisation" just because they publish a report condeming the death penalty worldwide and, the ultimate sin, america( they used the united states because it is possible to obtain statistics to prove innocents get killed and depends on race; this is not us bashing, this is is taking an example we can relate to) As for saying it deters crime, thats bullshit, if your gonna commit a murder its not gonna matter if u get 25yrs or death, because you'll either be 1. insane or 2.evil 3. in a rage. In none of these states can youweigh those options up. So the real losers are the innocent or those that did it in self defense etc etc.

And trauma, you may seem it is us bashing and I agree that the middle east is horrific in this regard. But how does it make you feel that your country engages in the same barbaric actions. I cant off the top of my head think of other countries where it takes place in the western world, and the fact is the us still has much higher crime rates, thus deterence isnt working.In Ireland the max sentence is about 30yrs and we only get about 40-60 murders a year.
In conclusion, i dont think the death penalty is the answer, because revenge simply doesnt heal the hurt caused. Where would the world be if we followed this train of thought. Every civilian the brits killed in ireland over the years would have to be accounted for by killing british. 5million germans would have to be killed for the holocaust. thousands of americans would have to be killed for previous wars. It wouldnt work. Two wrongs dont make a right. I'll listen to your answer trauma coz you have valid points but cwalker you really need to travel or something man and open your mind.
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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2003, 10:07:33 AM »
ITW, thanks for exposing cwalker's ignorance over Amnesty.
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2003, 03:24:05 PM »
Post the Amnesty International report, because I am telling you that the death penalty is NOT racist.
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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2003, 06:49:54 PM »
In conclusion, i dont think the death penalty is the answer, because revenge simply doesnt heal the hurt caused. Where would the world be if we followed this train of thought. Every civilian the brits killed in ireland over the years would have to be accounted for by killing british. 5million germans would have to be killed for the holocaust. thousands of americans would have to be killed for previous wars. It wouldnt work. Two wrongs dont make a right. I'll listen to your answer trauma coz you have valid points but cwalker you really need to travel or something man and open your mind.
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dude, every situation is different, but death penalty is also a way to PREVENT crime!
 

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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2003, 10:35:16 AM »
cwalker, it was a newspaper report on the findings. ill try and find it if it hasnt been thrown out... stay put ill go look for it now...
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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2003, 10:52:40 AM »
ok, found it...ill type up the intro and the stats used etc...

Amnesty links race with death penalty, Friday 25 April 2003
By Conor O'Clery in New York

On March 7th the US Supreme Court stopped Texas from excecuting its 300th inmate since cap punishment  since 1977...delma banks had ate his last meal and was ten minutes away from death before the call was made.....more stuff bout the dude, now the stats....

"The report, which renews  amnestys call for the end of capital punishment, states that black and whites are victims of murder in almost equal numbers in the us, but 80% of the more than 840 people excecuted since judicial killing resumed in 1977 were put to death for murders involving white victims.
Most murders involve perpetrators and victims of the same race, yet nearly 200 blacks have been executed for the murder of white victims, 15 times the number of whites put to death for killing blacks and at least twice as many as the number of blacks executed for the murder of other blacks. African Americans account for 12% of the population, but make up more than 40% of inmates on death row and one in three of those executed. One in four blacks put to death for killing whites were tried in front of all white juries..."

it goes on a bit more but refers more to specific cases. That is the main figures given for the race argument, so i hope it answers your question

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and @mauzip, i suppose it is a bit of a deterent but dont you think its terribly barbaric for a countrywho "promotes" peace?
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2003, 06:37:47 PM »
and @mauzip, i suppose it is a bit of a deterent but dont you think its terribly barbaric for a countrywho "promotes" peace?

no

promoting peace and punishing people are 2 different things
 

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« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2003, 08:33:00 AM »
So we are taught not to kill, but if we do, that rule no longer applies and you will be killed?

I understand that many of these people deserve to die and are a threat to people until they are killed but i really dont think we have the right to pass judgement on someones right to LIVE. Innocents get convicted, and killed, and therefore are murdered. These people did nothing wrong except be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Can we live with even ONE of these wrongful deaths, when they could just be put in prison, leaving them at least a hope in the future of being proven innocent. It seems only logical
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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2003, 01:07:53 PM »
CWalker - address this.

Texas put to death more people than all the other states combined last year.
Yet three out of the top five cities for crime were Texan.

So how does this correspond to your theory that the death sentence deters crime?
 

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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2003, 08:08:29 PM »
CWalker - address this.

Texas put to death more people than all the other states combined last year.
Yet three out of the top five cities for crime were Texan.

So how does this correspond to your theory that the death sentence deters crime?

Shut the hell up.
 

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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2003, 08:27:59 PM »
Thank god he's killing all those people in texas, they'd never have enough cells with all the assholes committing crime down there!  Look at those statistics!

really though, I've realized anything political comes down to liberal vs. conservative... it's a mindset, and it doesn't change.  All politicians do is trick each other, it's like a big chess game.  No republican convinces a democrat or vice versa of their position, they just find a way to screw them over.. it's a power struggle.  

Same thing with all our arguments.  I have evidence to support my claims, you have evidence to support yours.  The one that wins won't convince the other of anything, he'll just be better at orating his evidence.  Debate is useless, just another thing I've learned in life.  The ones with power will ultimately win out, it has nothing to do with rationality, or teaching somebody... I think as kids we all make up our minds what type of people we're gonna be, then we don't stray very far from that, least we admit we were wrong before.  

I can sit here all day and say why I think the death penalty is right, or wrong, or whatever, and i'm not gonna change anybody's minds.  Even if i DID, you'd never admit it, probably not even to yourself.  Same thing with yall; you're never gonna change my mind.

We insult each other's intelligence.  Like people say it's a deterrant to crime; do they honestly think that hasn't crossed the anti-death penalty person's mind?  like they're gonna say "Oh... so THATS why we kill people! oh, thank you for explaining it, I understand now! Yeah! I agree! The death penalty is necessary!"

When we tell people "Killing isn't right! We don't have the right to kill someone, even if they're a killer!" Do you honestly think we haven't thought about that before?  Do you think you're gonna change our mind?  

What happens in the end, is one side, who has more power, whether that be oration skills, charisma, status, age, wit, whatever, will win, and the other side wont' change their mind, they'll just find someone weaker to attack.  

You know it's true, come on... lets all just see things for how they are.  I'm gonna raise my kids to be little conservatives, and i'll be a good dad.  You'll raise your kids to be little liberals, and you'll be a good dad.  If we're bad dads, our kids will have the oposite beliefs.  You see it all day long... when people don't get along with their parents, or don't share their views, it's because their parents suck.  Simple as that.  It all goes back to childhood, Freud was right, Michael Jackson is right, teachers are right, old dirty bastard is right... it's all about the kids.  
 

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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2003, 08:46:05 PM »

What happens in the end, is one side, who has more power, whether that be oration skills, charisma, status, age, wit, whatever, will win, and the other side wont' change their mind, they'll just find someone weaker to attack.  


Trauma finally realises what politics is about

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2003, 08:51:26 PM »
Finally? I've been knowing this, i'm just reminding everybody... again I don't want to patronize (which I do way too much) and insult your intelligence.  I'm just saying, why do we even argue? Haven't we proven it's pointless?  If you understood that already, like you allude, then why do you even argue against the opposing view point?  Lately, I've been content to just lay back and laugh, that's why I haven't been posting much.  
 

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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2003, 08:53:19 PM »
Well relax already
 

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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2003, 08:55:38 PM »
I am relaxed; I'm not even arguing! I'm just wondering why we all argue and waste our time, nobody's learning anything.



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