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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« on: October 01, 2002, 05:19:20 AM »
Yeah, that's true.  If anybody cares to hear an explanation about it, lemme know.  
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2002, 05:22:31 AM »
*sigh*   ::)
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2002, 05:26:42 AM »
Actually, you'd like to believe you were important enough to report.  In reality, I just posted the link, knowing you would assume with your ego that you were world status, and worthy of the FBI's attention.  When it comes down to it, no matter what you say, you don't scare me, or the government.  You're not important enough.  
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2002, 05:27:46 AM »
and muslims arent racist?

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PLIGHT OF WHITE MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN

By Zahrah Nasir, Dawn Magazine Nov 25

When I converted to Islam back in 1983, never for a single moment did
I dream that I would face persecution by fellow Muslims. My crime is
that I have white skin. Nothing I do can change this stark fact of
life, although Islam is not, and never has been, a colour-coded
religion.

The Muslims of Bosnia, Turkey and Central Asia are the same colour as
myself, while not all Arabic or Persian-speaking people are exactly
brown. Chinese and Indonesian Muslims are another hue altogether and
many African Muslims are black.

Yet, here in Pakistan the general belief is that you can only be a
Muslim if you are one of the many shades of brown which abound here.

My white skin immediately labels me as a foreigner. However, I am not
a foreigner but a patriotic Pakistani and extremely proud of the green
passport which I obtained, by marriage, over ten years ago.

To cut a long story short, I converted to Islam whilst travelling with
the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, my conversion had nothing to do with my
husband whom I didn't meet until two years later. It is a decision
which I would never think of going back on. It was also my choice to
become a Pakistan national.

The first time I was made aware that white Muslims are viewed
differently than brown ones was when we went to get married at the
Sharia Court in Muscat in the Sultanate of Oman in 1985. The Grand
Mufti of Oman was present at the time and promptly demanded to know
where was the paper that said I was a Muslim. I asked him where was
his, as isn't everyone born a Muslim. He, needless to say, didn't have
such a document but still refused to marry us without converting me
again and issuing the necessary document. A Muslim twice over!

A few years later, in Karachi, I was literally stoned in the street
when leaving my office in Nursery, by some political party supporters
who thought they had spotted an 'infidel American'. I didn't stop to
argue but ran for my life.

There have been numerous other incidents over the years, none quite so
upsetting as when I attended a funeral here in Bhurban three years
ago. Despite being aware of my religion, some women demanded that I
stand up in front of all those present and recite the Kalma. "Why?" I
asked. "You can't be a Muslim. You are a foreigner." I left the
funeral in disgust.

Now, after chants of 'Death to Americans' in the streets and even in
Murree, foreigners have left the country in droves. And who can blame
them, with the people's mind-set being what it is.

I'm told to keep a low profile for my own safety - advised to stay at
home. Not to go even to the local bazaar as one never knows if
'outside agitators' are around and looking for an opportunity. There
are two points even to this. Yes, I fully appreciate the warning, but
does this also mean that local people would not spring to my defence?

Apparently not, since the dreadful events of Sept 11 and the ensuing
bombing of Afghanistan, our phone line has been cut twice, the
perpetrators stole 50ft of it the first time, and our water pipe has
been slashed in three places. I doubt if these things were done by
'outside agitators' and more likely by locals in a vindictive frame of
mind. Would it be the same if I was brown? Somehow I doubt it.

Due to the terrorist attacks on America and the war in Afghanistan, do
I, along with other members of my endangered species, deserve to be
persecuted into oblivion by the very brethren we have chosen to live
with?

As a patriotic, Pakistani Muslim and one who has participated in
Jihad, I view the future with more than a dash of apprehension.

To be a white Muslim here in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is, for
the foreseeable future, a life of having to perpetually look over your
shoulder and tread very, very warily indeed.


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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2002, 05:31:25 AM »
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I am proof that this article is complete bullshit.  I've biult with Muslims from all countries the world over.  Race has never been an issue.


Have you been to Pakistan?
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2002, 05:32:53 AM »
denial.

i'm sure you'd face problems trying to marry a nice muslim arab girl too.

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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2002, 05:37:48 AM »
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I've spent plenty of time building with Muslims from Pakistan at mosque's and Muslim gatherings.  Race has never been an issue.  It's all love.


I don't care how much time you've spent with people from Pakistan...

Have you been to Pakistan?
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2002, 05:42:44 AM »
Well, since Overseer is displaying his usual openmindedness, I'll tackle the "racist mormon' problem, in open, for everyone to judge.  

Up until 1978, Blacks were not allowed to be priests in our church.  To be married in a temple, you have to be a priest.  The simple reason for this?  The church holds that we are the 'restored' church of jesus christ.

Why? because the church needed to be restored, after being corrupted by the catholic church, which was originally true (at Peter's time) but over the centuries, was manipulated and distorted.  Anyone will admit this.

Now, the church was to be restored as soon as feasibly possible.  Christ and God picked Joseph Smith, in new york, to restore it to.  The time was 1823.   History will tell you that blacks were still slaves in 1823, and considered second class citizens in america.  

Joseph Smith, even WITHOUT allowing blacks to be priests into his restored church of Christ, was persecuted, eventually killed (he was shot and pushed or fell out of a second story window while in prison), the mormons were chased west, to Salt Lake city (which they founded and settled).  Their temple in Navoo was destroyed.  Hundreds died on the trip west, starved to death, some were even frozen to death travelling across america in the winter, pushing hand carts. While in Salt Lake, the president James Buchanan sent an army to Salt Lake to kill Brigham Young, destroy the temple, and establish their own governor.  The saints were smart enough to bury the temple foundations, so when the army arrived they found nothing.  

All this WITHOUT blacks being in the church.  Why were they not allowed to be priests? Because the lord was re-establishing his church on the earth, and it barely made it without the persecution that would have came with black men sitting next to white women in a racially charged america.  

In 1978, the prophet received a vision that it was time, and america was ready for blacks to be treated equally, so they passed a vote by unanimous decision in our general conference to allow blacks to be priests.  

Why weren't blacks allowed to be priests until 1978? Because the church never would have survived, and that's the way god intended it to unfold.  
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2002, 06:01:39 AM »
Oh, and he deleted all this junk attacking my religion too, lol.  Glad he came to his senses.  At least, I hope that's what happened.  I hope I didn't destroy his argument, so he slunk away in defeat.  
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2002, 08:42:57 AM »
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I don't care how much time you've spent with people from Pakistan...

Have you been to Pakistan?


i have, and im very light skinned and i have never witnessed persecution like that,

another isolated incident getting the spotlight....
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2002, 09:55:50 AM »
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i have, and im very light skinned and i have never witnessed persecution like that,

another isolated incident getting the spotlight....



Thanks infinite.
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Re: Mormons History of Racism!!!!
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2002, 10:56:33 AM »
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