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Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist!
« on: September 16, 2002, 05:47:36 PM »
Dick Cheney is relying on our cultural amnesia to wipe away his record on South Africa.

By Joe Conason
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August 01, 2000 | "Whitewashing" is the only word to describe the weak explanations offered by Dick Cheney about his votes on South Africa during the apartheid era. Ever since the peaceful advent of democracy in Pretoria, politicians like Cheney who habitually coddled the old racist regime have escaped accountability for their actions. And he is still relying on our customary national amnesia to wave away the questions raised by his vice presidential nomination.

For American conservatives who misused their influence to defend apartheid, the controversy over Cheney's congressional voting record actually presents an opportunity to own up to their terrible mistakes. Unfortunately, however, Cheney and his supporters have prevaricated and obfuscated rather than admitting forthrightly that they were on the wrong side. This disingenuous response is a poor start for a man who boasts that he and George W. Bush will restore straight talk and integrity to the White House.



Cheney bristled in response to questions about his voting record, revealing a mindset that never understood what was at stake in South Africa -- or perhaps understood all too well. Challenged last Sunday to defend his 1985 vote against a House resolution urging the release of Nelson Mandela from 23 years of imprisonment, he first denounced such inquiries as "trivia." Does he really think that the oppression inflicted on millions of black citizens during more than five decades was a trivial matter?

He quickly tried to correct that gaffe, praising Mandela as "a great man." (He also remarked, with baffling condescension, that the African leader has "mellowed," whatever that means.) He had opposed the resolution to free Mandela, according to Cheney, because it was attached to recognition of the African National Congress.

"The ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization," he said. "Nobody was for keeping Nelson Mandela in prison. Nobody was for supporting apartheid." Let's parse that feeble answer, one of several attempts to justify his votes that Cheney has offered in recent days.

The ANC, led of course by Mandela himself, was indeed regarded as "terrorist" by the Pretoria regime and its allies in Washington. But the ANC, which fought militarily and diplomatically for the human rights of South African citizens, was considered a legitimate representative of the black majority by civilized governments almost everywhere else. The resolution Cheney voted against called upon the Pretoria rulers to enter into negotiations with the ANC. That position was endorsed by governments around the world, and has been entirely vindicated by the events that followed.

If the ANC indulged in actions that might be considered "terrorist," it is at least as true that the entire apparatus of apartheid relied upon terrorism against millions of men, women and children. The Sharpsville massacre and literally hundreds of other atrocities committed against South African blacks and their neighbors in other states deserve no other description. That kind of state terrorism didn't much trouble the Reaganite ideologues such as Cheney.

Contrary to his sentimentalized recollection of that period, some people were indeed in favor of keeping Mandela behind bars and keeping South African blacks in bondage. The roster of infamy begins with Ronald Reagan, who upon becoming president in 1981 immediately reversed the Carter administration's policy of pressuring the Afrikaner minority toward democracy and human rights. In an early interview with CBS newsman Walter Cronkite, Reagan called South Africa a "friendly nation" whose reliable anticommunism and wealth of strategic minerals justified stronger ties between Washington and Pretoria.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2002, 09:37:40 PM »
Wow..... that's terrible...... This proves what kind of people we have in office..... how are these righteous people I'm supposed to trust?
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2002, 10:06:36 PM »
so people can not change their minds on a matter?
so people are held to their mistakes from the past?
so people can't grow



i'm not saying he has or hasn't but are you people THAT judmental that you base your whole judgment on a person on one act. that is sad


no i'm not denouncing nor supporting your little crusade here, i'm just saying that you are being very nieve, hypocritical, judgemental, oh and here's the famous jake word IGNORANT , to a single indivual that you do not know at all what so ever


some one great once said " let my actions of the present respresent me , not my actions of the past"



fuck politics for one moment here, look what you are doing ......being and doing everything you think is wrong in united states government your little bergade here is as childish as hating nelly as a person becuase he makes poppy songs




man and they say christians are hypicritical and judegmental.....please
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2002, 10:13:27 PM »
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so people can not change their minds on a matter?
so people are held to their mistakes from the past?
so people can't grow



i'm not saying he has or hasn't but are you people THAT judmental that you base your whole judgment on a person on one act. that is sad


no i'm not denouncing nor supporting your little crusade here, i'm just saying that you are being very nieve, hypocritical, judgemental, oh and here's the famous jake word IGNORANT , to a single indivual that you do not know at all what so ever


some one great once said " let my actions of the present respresent me , not my actions of the past"



fuck politics for one moment here, look what you are doing ......being and doing everything you think is wrong in united states government your little bergade here is as childish as hating nelly as a person becuase he makes poppy songs




man and they say christians are hypicritical and judegmental.....please


He still doesn't admit to his mistakes.  And said that Nelson Mandela is more "mild" now.  There's a reason he's more mild now.  His ass isn't getting thrown in prison and kept in prison by dirty poloticians like Dick Cheney!!!!
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2002, 10:19:16 PM »
the only person he has to admit his wrongs to is god.....not you not me not some preist .no one but GOD!

and whose to say he's wrong? if that's the way he feels then so be it that's Cheany......

live and let die


Afeni Shakur was a terrorist to the fullest , Malcome X was a huge hypocrit, Farrakan is a huuuuuuuuuuuge crook.....no one's ever brought them up now huh


and i wonder why.....
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2002, 12:19:06 AM »
dick cheney has his name for a reason.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2002, 01:41:52 AM »
Damn I just realized who you are Jacob

Sup fool
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2002, 02:56:14 AM »
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so people can not change their minds on a matter?
so people are held to their mistakes from the past?
so people can't grow



i'm not saying he has or hasn't but are you people THAT judmental that you base your whole judgment on a person on one act. that is sad


no i'm not denouncing nor supporting your little crusade here, i'm just saying that you are being very nieve, hypocritical, judgemental, oh and here's the famous jake word IGNORANT , to a single indivual that you do not know at all what so ever


some one great once said " let my actions of the present respresent me , not my actions of the past"



fuck politics for one moment here, look what you are doing ......being and doing everything you think is wrong in united states government your little bergade here is as childish as hating nelly as a person becuase he makes poppy songs




man and they say christians are hypicritical and judegmental.....please


1. Dick Cheney ain't Nelly.
2. You can't get rid of your past - especially if you haven't changed at all
3. Dick Cheney is a racist.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2002, 04:47:01 AM »
Dick Cheney is a racist.
Axle Rose is a racist.
If Dick Cheney was really real he should spend the rest of his life apologizing to Nelson Mandela and the people of South Africa.

Malcolm X (Al-Malik Shabazz) was the greatest American ever.  In what way was he EVER hypocrite?

Farakan definetely has skeletons in his closet.  But he is a man that has done more for the poor, oppressed and alienated black man; then any living American leader!!!
 

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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2002, 08:57:10 AM »
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so people can not change their minds on a matter?
so people are held to their mistakes from the past?
so people can't grow





so this is your defence of an American politician who's racist?

man.......
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2002, 03:29:27 PM »
Hopefully Cheney will kill over. Dick ain't even on Mandela's level when it comes to what he has done in his own nation.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2002, 09:51:30 PM »
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Dick Cheney is a racist.
Axle Rose is a racist.
If Dick Cheney was really real he should spend the rest of his life apologizing to Nelson Mandela and the people of South Africa.

Malcolm X (Al-Malik Shabazz) was the greatest American ever.  In what way was he EVER hypocrite?

Farakan definetely has skeletons in his closet.  But he is a man that has done more for the poor, oppressed and alienated black man; then any living American leader!!!




lol if axle rose is a racist, lol why in theeeeeeeeeeeee hell was slash his lead guitarist for so many years? lol why in the theeeeeeeeeee hell did he have  a love affair with 3 black chicks , dude infinate if axle rose is a racist then your idol eminem is a homophobe , that is soooooooo  what 's my word...oh ignorant,lol

dick cheany probably is racist, but so what , what you and your muslum pals are doing isn't lower on the sin scale than what he's done/doing -can we say hypicritical and biased , my guy?

you only think malcome x was the greatest citizen becuase he was in the islam faith, do your self a favor and read one of the biographies on him which proves that he slept with white prostitutes , sold drugs to 'his people' , and commited random and sencless acts of violence on his own people.....all while he was a converted muslum.......great citizen huh, oh and since your past is every bit as important as your present let's not forget his......oh and by the way MLK and Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson did faaaaaaaaaar more greater things for not only this country but for the world, and this is FACT


if farakan is so great then so is Tammy Fay baker pat robertson , jim baker, and the so many catholic preists that molested little boys.........this is not opinion but fact, all are in the same category.....farakan isn't even worshiping pure islam....he's worshiping some black impowerment group that teaches inequality while he makes millions off the ignorant sheep that follow his phony ass message , farakan is the equivalant to a televagelist........if you see all that is good then HEY i can find people with less skeletons who've done more for the world !
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2002, 01:38:24 AM »
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oh and by the way MLK and Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson did faaaaaaaaaar more greater things for not only this country but for the world, and this is FACT



I guess you mean FDR. Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson haven't done shit for this world.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2002, 03:26:33 AM »
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you only think malcome x was the greatest citizen becuase he was in the islam faith, do your self a favor and read one of the biographies on him which proves that he slept with white prostitutes , sold drugs to 'his people' , and commited random and sencless acts of violence on his own people.....all while he was a converted muslum.......great citizen huh, oh and since your past is every bit as important as your present let's not forget his......

That was Malcolm X in his teen years and early 20s, before being a muslim, I think
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2002, 06:07:39 AM »
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That was Malcolm X in his teen years and early 20s, before being a muslim, I think



detroit red to be exact.
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2002, 09:26:14 AM »
yeah ^

Jake do u read bookS? what the hell u talkin about Malcolm for when u dont know nothing man, that comment u made is really dumb man, no other words describe it, damn....


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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2002, 01:36:35 PM »
What did Franklin and Jefferson do for the World exactly?
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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2002, 04:39:47 PM »
malcome x did stuff like that AFTER he became a muslum as well.....


and yes prince i do read books , i read books that state facts not biased radical OPINIONS, and if you go to your local book store and read  a few malcome x biographies it'll show you that he was a major hypocrit he changed very little when he joined the nation yo, the smartest thing he did was distance himself from that

and jefferson molded the basic democracy purely by himself ....which almost every democratic country jocks or borrows from, which is FACT

and oh my god how many things did ben franklin invent that you use every day ?


and the only thing dumb said in this board i've read here so far is how infinate said "malcome is the greatest us citizen ever" and "axle rose is a racist" lol man move over berny mack we got a new king of comedy


that's the equivalant to saying nelly is the greatest lyracist in hip hop and a porche 911 doesn't take up a lot of gas
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2002, 05:30:40 PM »
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What did Franklin and Jefferson do for the World exactly?


Cough cough... HATER

Ben franklin invented:
The Bi-focals
flexible urinary catheter
watertight bulkheads on ships
lightning rod
iron furnace stove called the Franklin stove
the first fire company and the first fire insurance company
simple odometer
One of the first public library's

Thomas Jefferson:
Author of the Declaration of American Independence
Author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
Father of the University of Virginia
developed a plow which would delve deeper than the two to three inches achieved by a standard wooden plow
Prefected The polygraph
Automatic Double doors
He also invented the Revolving chair like the one you are probably sitting on right now
Wheel Cipher


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Re: Dick Cheney considered Nelson Mandela a terror
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2002, 05:40:40 PM »
and that's only a FEW things they did
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and that's only a FEW things they did


Yeah, I tried to focus on inventions only...
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2002, 02:35:17 AM »
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and that's only a FEW things they did



true. they supported slavery and had kids with slaves at the same time.


P.S. Malcolm X did more for black people than Jefferson or Franklin ever did.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2002, 09:48:46 AM »
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I guess you mean FDR. Ben Franklin & Thomas Jefferson haven't done shit for this world.


So first you claim that they haven't done shit for this world...

Then when I prove you wrong, you change the subject?

come on now...
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2002, 11:05:50 AM »
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So first you claim that they haven't done shit for this world...

Then when I prove you wrong, you change the subject?

come on now...


flexible urinary catheters are a really great thing..... I wish I had one..... they're indeed a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar greater invention than the U.N...........
Btw, The Declaration of Independence is limited to white men...... you might get some insight into American history first before you call this piece of paper a great thing. It's mad overrated.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2002, 11:13:26 AM »
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flexible urinary catheters are a really great thing..... I wish I had one..... they're indeed a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar greater invention than the U.N...........
Btw, The Declaration of Independence is limited to white men...... you might get some insight into American history first before you call this piece of paper a great thing. It's mad overrated.

flexible urinary catheters revolutionized the medical world...

Zero 4 eva at 3 posts? Strange...

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