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Israel's Intifada Victory
« on: July 09, 2004, 01:51:28 PM »
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 18, 2004; Page A29

While no one was looking, something historic happened in the Middle East. The Palestinian intifada is over, and the Palestinians have lost.

For Israel, the victory is bitter. The past four years of terrorism have killed almost 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands of others. But Israel has won strategically. The intent of the intifada was to demoralize Israel, destroy its economy, bring it to its knees, and thus force it to withdraw and surrender to Palestinian demands, just as Israel withdrew in defeat from southern Lebanon in May 2000.

That did not happen. Israel's economy was certainly wounded, but it is growing again. Tourism had dwindled to almost nothing at the height of the intifada, but tourists are returning. And the Israelis were never demoralized. They kept living their lives, the young people in particular returning to cafes and discos and buses just hours after a horrific bombing. Israelis turned out to be a lot tougher and braver than the Palestinians had imagined.

The end of the intifada does not mean the end of terrorism. There was terrorism before the intifada and there will be terrorism to come. What has happened, however, is an end to systematic, regular, debilitating, unstoppable terror -- terror as a reliable weapon. At the height of the intifada, there were nine suicide attacks in Israel killing 85 Israelis in just one month (March 2002). In the past three months there have been none.

The overall level of violence has been reduced by more than 70 percent. How did Israel do it? By ignoring its critics and launching a two-pronged campaign of self-defense.

First, Israel targeted terrorist leaders -- attacks so hypocritically denounced by Westerners who, at the same time, cheer the hunt for, and demand the head of, Osama bin Laden. The top echelon of Hamas and other terrorist groups has been either arrested, killed or driven underground. The others are now so afraid of Israeli precision and intelligence -- the last Hamas operative to be killed by missile was riding a motorcycle -- that they are forced to devote much of their time and energy to self-protection and concealment.

Second, the fence. Only about a quarter of the separation fence has been built, but its effect is unmistakable. The northern part is already complete, and attacks in northern Israel have dwindled to almost nothing.

This success does not just save innocent lives; it changes the strategic equation of the whole conflict.

Yasser Arafat started the intifada in September 2000, just weeks after he had rejected, at Camp David, Israel's offer of withdrawal, settlement evacuation, sharing of Jerusalem and establishment of a Palestinian state. Arafat wanted all that, of course, but without having to make peace and recognize a Jewish state. Hence the terror campaign -- to force Israel to give it all up unilaterally.

Arafat failed, spectacularly. The violence did not bring Israel to its knees. Instead, it created chaos, lawlessness and economic disaster in the Palestinian areas. The Palestinians know the ruin that Arafat has brought, and they are beginning to protest it. He promised them blood and victory; he delivered on the blood.

Even more important, they have lost their place at the table. Israel is now defining a new equilibrium that will reign for years to come -- the separation fence is unilaterally drawing the line that separates Israelis and Palestinians. The Palestinians were offered the chance to negotiate that frontier at Camp David and chose war instead. Now they are paying the price.

It stands to reason. It is the height of absurdity to launch a terrorist war against Israel, then demand the right to determine the nature and route of the barrier built to prevent that very terrorism.

These new strategic realities are not just creating a new equilibrium, they are creating the first hope for peace since Arafat officially tore up the Oslo accords four years ago. Once Israel has withdrawn from Gaza and has completed the fence, terrorism as a strategic option will be effectively dead. The only way for the Palestinians to achieve statehood and dignity, and to determine the contours of their own state, will be to negotiate a final peace based on genuine coexistence with a Jewish state.

It could be a year, five years or a generation until the Palestinians come to that realization. The pity is that so many, Arab and Israeli, will have had to die before then.

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Re: Israel's Intifada Victory
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2004, 05:24:07 PM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/ck20040618.shtml
i found the site u got it from, i also read a couple of other articles on there licking bushs ass and slating the democrats.
in the actual article there is no reference to pressure put on militant groups from within palestine and was writtern with a strong israeli bias.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2004, 06:34:23 PM by Don Rizzle »

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2004, 06:40:52 PM »
pressure put on militant groups from within palestine

There is no pressure. It's clear to anybody with basic reasoning skills, that the Palestinians come out saying "We condemn terror on both sides" but then teach in their schools, and tell their own people, the exact opposite.

Best case scenario: The current leadership doesn't want to stop the terrorism

Worst case scenario: The current leadership CAN'T stop the terrorism.
 

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Re: Israel's Intifada Victory
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2004, 10:59:44 PM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/ck20040618.shtml
i found the site u got it from, i also read a couple of other articles on there licking bushs ass and slating the democrats.
in the actual article there is no reference to pressure put on militant groups from within palestine and was writtern with a strong israeli bias.

LOL....I don't know weather u realise it or not, but the articles you usually bring are with a much stronger Palestinian bias.
We are all human beings isn't that a good enough reason for peace?
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2004, 01:59:41 AM »
i have done in the past to redress a certain balance, but most of the stuff i do post comes from the bbc which is pretty independent

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Israel's Intifada Victory
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2004, 02:12:46 AM »
Engelwood > Don Rizzle
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2004, 07:28:30 AM »
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iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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Re: Israel's Intifada Victory
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2004, 09:31:51 AM »
Did Charles Krauthammer whoever that is e-mail you this article?
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2004, 10:58:29 AM »
ja-ja-jamal?
 

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2004, 07:57:46 PM »
ja-ja-jamal?


What does that mean ?  I was asking for the source.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2004, 08:21:45 PM »
Props for the article
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2004, 11:49:09 AM »
I havent read the article yet but first of all, LMFAO@ Charles retarded monkey Krauthammer

this guy is the worse, Ill be back
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Re: Israel's Intifada Victory
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2004, 12:04:48 PM »
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 18, 2004; Page A29

While no one was looking, something historic happened in the Middle East. The Palestinian intifada is over, and the Palestinians have lost.

For Israel, the victory is bitter. The past four years of terrorism have killed almost 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands of others. But Israel has won strategically. The intent of the intifada was to demoralize Israel, destroy its economy, bring it to its knees, and thus force it to withdraw and surrender to Palestinian demands, just as Israel withdrew in defeat from southern Lebanon in May 2000.

LMFAO. WHAT DOES THIS IDIOT THINK PALESTINE IS? ISRAEL? DESTROY THE ISRAELI ECONOMY? LOL. BRING ISRAEL TO ITS KNEES? HOW DOES 2-3 MILITANT GROUPS BRING DOWN THE 3RD BIGGEST NUCLEAR POWER IN THE WORLD? THE INTIFADA WAS PALESTINIANS RESORTING TO VIOLENCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. THIS SITUATION HAS NOT CHANGED,

That did not happen. Israel's economy was certainly wounded, but it is growing again. Tourism had dwindled to almost nothing at the height of the intifada, but tourists are returning. And the Israelis were never demoralized. They kept living their lives, the young people in particular returning to cafes and discos and buses just hours after a horrific bombing. Israelis turned out to be a lot tougher and braver than the Palestinians had imagined.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE ISRAELIS CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIANS WHILE CHOCKIN OUT THEIR LIVELYHOOD AND CONTINUING SETTLEMENT EXPANSION. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. ISRAEL IS COMPLAINING ABOUT 2 MILITANT GROUPS AND ITS STILL FUCKIN THE PALESTINIANS.

The end of the intifada does not mean the end of terrorism. There was terrorism before the intifada and there will be terrorism to come. What has happened, however, is an end to systematic, regular, debilitating, unstoppable terror -- terror as a reliable weapon. At the height of the intifada, there were nine suicide attacks in Israel killing 85 Israelis in just one month (March 2002). In the past three months there have been none.

BLAH BLAH BLAH. TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM. IM SORRY BUT IM NOT A HICK FROM IOWA. IM NOT GONNA JUMP UP AND DOWN AT THE MENTION OF THE WORD TERRORISM. ISRAELI OCCUPATION AND OPPRESSION OF PALESTINE FUELS TERRORISM. BY BLATANTLY IGNORING THE PLIGHT OF THE PALESTINIANS, FAILING TO ADRESS THE CONTINUED ISRAEL PRESENCE ON PALESTINIANS LANDS AND EVEN SUPPORTING AND ENDORSING A CONTINUATION/ACCELERATION OF THESE POLICIES, HOW DARE THIS FUCKIN SCHMUCH MENTION TERRORISM.

The overall level of violence has been reduced by more than 70 percent. How did Israel do it? By ignoring its critics and launching a two-pronged campaign of self-defense.

YES. ITS "CRITICS". YES THE ANTI SEMETIC UN AND ITS ARAB RULERS  ::)

First, Israel targeted terrorist leaders -- attacks so hypocritically denounced by Westerners who, at the same time, cheer the hunt for, and demand the head of, Osama bin Laden. The top echelon of Hamas and other terrorist groups has been either arrested, killed or driven underground. The others are now so afraid of Israeli precision and intelligence -- the last Hamas operative to be killed by missile was riding a motorcycle -- that they are forced to devote much of their time and energy to self-protection and concealment.

AGAIN THATS GREAT. BUT ARE ANY ROOT CAUSES ADRESSED? IF YOURE IGNORING THE MAIN ISSUES THEN PICKIN OFF PARAPELGIC ARABS IS DOING NO GOOD TO ISRAEL OR PALESTINIANS.

Second, the fence. Only about a quarter of the separation fence has been built, but its effect is unmistakable. The northern part is already complete, and attacks in northern Israel have dwindled to almost nothing.

ALMOST EVERY CRIME KNOWN TO MANKIND COMITTED BY ISRAEL HAS BEEN JUSTIFIED, SO IM NOT SURPRISED THIS IS.

This success does not just save innocent lives; it changes the strategic equation of the whole conflict.

Yasser Arafat started the intifada in September 2000, just weeks after he had rejected, at Camp David, Israel's offer of withdrawal, settlement evacuation, sharing of Jerusalem and establishment of a Palestinian state. Arafat wanted all that, of course, but without having to make peace and recognize a Jewish state. Hence the terror campaign -- to force Israel to give it all up unilaterally.

HOW STUPID TO THESE FUCKIN WIENER SCHNITZELS THINK SOME OF US ARE. HOW MANY TIMES WILL THE MYTH OF CAMP DAVID BE REPEATED? A FRAGMENTED, PUZZLE PIECE STRIP OF WEST BANK LAND CUT OFF BY ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS, ROADS AND MILITARY CHECK POINTS, WITH A GOVT SUBSERVIENT TO ISRAEL. THIS IS NOT AN OFFER OF A STATE. THIS IS AN INSULT AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE BEST THE ISRAELIS COULD OFFER IS BOUND TO TICK OFF SOME HARDCORE NATIONALISTS. WHY SHOULD THEY GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ISRAEL IF THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEM? HOW IS ARAFAT GONNA FORCE ISRAEL TO DO ANYTHING. HOW DUMB ARE U ENGLEWOOD TO BELIEVE THIS SHIT. ISRAEL CONTROLES EVERYHING, ARAFAT HAS NO POWER. YES ARAFAT IS GONNA GIVE UP AN INDEPENDENT STATE JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO MAINTAIN A GRUDGE? THE MANS A CROOK BUT HE AINT AN IDIOT.

Arafat failed, spectacularly. The violence did not bring Israel to its knees. Instead, it created chaos, lawlessness and economic disaster in the Palestinian areas. The Palestinians know the ruin that Arafat has brought, and they are beginning to protest it. He promised them blood and victory; he delivered on the blood.

YES, IT WAS HAMAS THAT CREATED "CHAOS LAWLESSNESS AND ECONOMIC DISASTER" IN THE PALESTINIAN AREAS, NOT THE IDF. BOO!

Even more important, they have lost their place at the table. Israel is now defining a new equilibrium that will reign for years to come -- the separation fence is unilaterally drawing the line that separates Israelis and Palestinians. The Palestinians were offered the chance to negotiate that frontier at Camp David and chose war instead. Now they are paying the price.

It stands to reason. It is the height of absurdity to launch a terrorist war against Israel, then demand the right to determine the nature and route of the barrier built to prevent that very terrorism.

These new strategic realities are not just creating a new equilibrium, they are creating the first hope for peace since Arafat officially tore up the Oslo accords four years ago. Once Israel has withdrawn from Gaza and has completed the fence, terrorism as a strategic option will be effectively dead. The only way for the Palestinians to achieve statehood and dignity, and to determine the contours of their own state, will be to negotiate a final peace based on genuine coexistence with a Jewish state.

WHAT KIND OF FUCKIN NEGOTIATION WILL THIS BE? WITH WHO WILL THESE NEGOTIATIONS TAKE PLACE? A DEMORALIZED, DEFEATED SUBJAGATED PALESTINIAN PEOPLE?

It could be a year, five years or a generation until the Palestinians come to that realization. The pity is that so many, Arab and Israeli, will have had to die before then.

KRAUTHAMMER IS A MAJOR ZIONIST HEAD IN WASHINGTON. A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS AND HE HAS DEEP LINKS WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. I DONT BELIEVE ONE WORD OUT OF THIS CHUMPS MOUTH. REPEATING THE ESTABLISHMENT LINE. IS THERE ONE CONDEMNATION OF ISRAEL IN THIS ARTICLE? HELL NO.

KRAUTHAMMER DONT WANT IT WITH TECH , NOOOOO

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This is a great article.
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