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Quote from: JTPlatnum on March 20, 2005, 09:02:25 AMman, i can't stand you....and honestly, whenever i read any one of your posts, i want to puke. serious. i think you're so close minded that you have no ideas of your own. they're all based in your church and in your book. i used to be a religious guy, very much like yourself. but then i started questioning things.....now, i know that there's no point in me trying to tell you that your religion is bullshit (even though i think ALL religion is bullshit), so i'm going to just ask you some simple questions to see if i can get any real answers from you - not from your preacher or pastor or church or the qu'ran - you. i want to hear your own opinion on what you're trying to promote. first question: what's your idea of a perfect world? (and, if you didn't read above, please refrain from starting any sentence with "allah says...." or "the almighty qu'ran says...."First of all, your posts make me sick, you always have my name in your mouth, and now your even starting threads about me. If I'm so closed and narrow-minded to you, then please enlighten me on your vast knowledge of human thought and behavior. You must be a very worldly and cosmopolitan thinker. One would think this about you, but really your just some fat ass geek who is sitting at his home worrying over whether or not to have bacon, ham, or sausage with your grade-A eggs in the morning, and periodically checking your computer to see what I'm going to say next. What is your fixation with me? Now, I have no problem answering your questions, but please, try to be more reserved in the role you play with me. Keep my name out of your mouth, and try asking the question without burdening us with your pubescent commentary. ....... okay, you asked what was my idea of a perfect world?I can't answer you without speaking from the Noble Qu'ran. Because my belief is in Islam, my life is in submission to the will of Allah. A perfect world would be a world where people were so motivated and caught up in worshipping and glorifying their Creator, that the energy level on Earth would be so high, that mankind would be unified in worship, and represent the true essence of Islam, and submit to Allah in the way the angels or the blade of grass that leans towards the sun, submits to the divine rule of it's existence, the same divine rule and ordinance that the sun and moon follow in their perscribed courses, mankind would be at peace with the whole universe for he worships Him Whom the whole Universe worships.Although not a perfect world, I have read about times in this world when man was in an enlightened state. During the Prophet Muhammad's time, after he reclaimed Mekkah, during the later centuries when the Islamic caliphate (ruler) was located in Baghdad in the 9th century, it was the center of science, mathamatics, and learning. Christian, Jewish and other world scholars would travel to Baghdad and attend lectures, compare notes, prosyletize and philosophize. The premium was placed on knowledge and intellect. Another great period in world history was during the time when the Islamic caliphate was in Spain in the latter part of the middle ages. The Jews also experienced their golden age of art and literature during this period. Justice prevailed, and they used science and inventions in a way that was not harmful to people and the enviroment. Also, even more recently, during the times of the Ottoman Empire that lasted till the 20th century. Under the Ottoman Empire, they lived in a pluralistic society. If the government ever became to narrow minded and fascist, there were revolts lead by Sufi scholars but these revolts appealed to man's intellect, knowledge and spirituality. Those were all good periods to live in. Now, the premium is placed on power. It doesn't matter whether your right or wrong, whoever has the most money or the biggest guns makes the rules. I feel like back in those times the premium was placed on knowledge. And you could shape and mold the society by appealing to ones intellect. It seems that today in the West especially the forces are working to keep man in an ignorant state, and that the ultimate motivation is to promote consumerism and capatalism. Still, in many enclaves throughout the world, and even on the fringes of society, there is enlightenment and illumination. ....... if that doesn't answer your question, you can ask it again in a different way, try to do it more respectfully this time.
man, i can't stand you....and honestly, whenever i read any one of your posts, i want to puke. serious. i think you're so close minded that you have no ideas of your own. they're all based in your church and in your book. i used to be a religious guy, very much like yourself. but then i started questioning things.....now, i know that there's no point in me trying to tell you that your religion is bullshit (even though i think ALL religion is bullshit), so i'm going to just ask you some simple questions to see if i can get any real answers from you - not from your preacher or pastor or church or the qu'ran - you. i want to hear your own opinion on what you're trying to promote. first question: what's your idea of a perfect world? (and, if you didn't read above, please refrain from starting any sentence with "allah says...." or "the almighty qu'ran says...."
you shoulda just pm'ed him to save this thread from all the shit talkers that are gonna come in...
Quote from: Down South We Roll On Choppaz on March 20, 2005, 11:51:24 AMyou shoulda just pm'ed him to save this thread from all the shit talkers that are gonna come in...you're right, we don't need infinite and king tech to reply
Quote from: Hip-Hop Is Dead on March 20, 2005, 11:28:41 AMQuote from: JTPlatnum on March 20, 2005, 09:02:25 AMman, i can't stand you....and honestly, whenever i read any one of your posts, i want to puke. serious. i think you're so close minded that you have no ideas of your own. they're all based in your church and in your book. i used to be a religious guy, very much like yourself. but then i started questioning things.....now, i know that there's no point in me trying to tell you that your religion is bullshit (even though i think ALL religion is bullshit), so i'm going to just ask you some simple questions to see if i can get any real answers from you - not from your preacher or pastor or church or the qu'ran - you. i want to hear your own opinion on what you're trying to promote. first question: what's your idea of a perfect world? (and, if you didn't read above, please refrain from starting any sentence with "allah says...." or "the almighty qu'ran says...."First of all, your posts make me sick, you always have my name in your mouth, and now your even starting threads about me. If I'm so closed and narrow-minded to you, then please enlighten me on your vast knowledge of human thought and behavior. You must be a very worldly and cosmopolitan thinker. One would think this about you, but really your just some fat ass geek who is sitting at his home worrying over whether or not to have bacon, ham, or sausage with your grade-A eggs in the morning, and periodically checking your computer to see what I'm going to say next. What is your fixation with me? Now, I have no problem answering your questions, but please, try to be more reserved in the role you play with me. Keep my name out of your mouth, and try asking the question without burdening us with your pubescent commentary. ....... okay, you asked what was my idea of a perfect world?I can't answer you without speaking from the Noble Qu'ran. Because my belief is in Islam, my life is in submission to the will of Allah. A perfect world would be a world where people were so motivated and caught up in worshipping and glorifying their Creator, that the energy level on Earth would be so high, that mankind would be unified in worship, and represent the true essence of Islam, and submit to Allah in the way the angels or the blade of grass that leans towards the sun, submits to the divine rule of it's existence, the same divine rule and ordinance that the sun and moon follow in their perscribed courses, mankind would be at peace with the whole universe for he worships Him Whom the whole Universe worships.Although not a perfect world, I have read about times in this world when man was in an enlightened state. During the Prophet Muhammad's time, after he reclaimed Mekkah, during the later centuries when the Islamic caliphate (ruler) was located in Baghdad in the 9th century, it was the center of science, mathamatics, and learning. Christian, Jewish and other world scholars would travel to Baghdad and attend lectures, compare notes, prosyletize and philosophize. The premium was placed on knowledge and intellect. Another great period in world history was during the time when the Islamic caliphate was in Spain in the latter part of the middle ages. The Jews also experienced their golden age of art and literature during this period. Justice prevailed, and they used science and inventions in a way that was not harmful to people and the enviroment. Also, even more recently, during the times of the Ottoman Empire that lasted till the 20th century. Under the Ottoman Empire, they lived in a pluralistic society. If the government ever became to narrow minded and fascist, there were revolts lead by Sufi scholars but these revolts appealed to man's intellect, knowledge and spirituality. Those were all good periods to live in. Now, the premium is placed on power. It doesn't matter whether your right or wrong, whoever has the most money or the biggest guns makes the rules. I feel like back in those times the premium was placed on knowledge. And you could shape and mold the society by appealing to ones intellect. It seems that today in the West especially the forces are working to keep man in an ignorant state, and that the ultimate motivation is to promote consumerism and capatalism. Still, in many enclaves throughout the world, and even on the fringes of society, there is enlightenment and illumination. ....... if that doesn't answer your question, you can ask it again in a different way, try to do it more respectfully this time.when exactly will strap bombs around your middle and you blow yourself up?
Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. Your Resurrected Hero on March 20, 2005, 11:53:19 AMQuote from: Down South We Roll On Choppaz on March 20, 2005, 11:51:24 AMyou shoulda just pm'ed him to save this thread from all the shit talkers that are gonna come in...you're right, we don't need infinite and king tech to replyI'll be very surprised if Tech replies.He's been shown to be a fake. He got caught red handed passing others writings off as his own.It'd take a real sad and delusional person to continue to pretend like they have weight after something like that happened to them.
when did this happen?
Quote from: Mauzip a.k.a. Your Resurrected Hero on March 20, 2005, 11:48:29 AMQuote from: Hip-Hop Is Dead on March 20, 2005, 11:28:41 AMQuote from: JTPlatnum on March 20, 2005, 09:02:25 AMman, i can't stand you....and honestly, whenever i read any one of your posts, i want to puke. serious. i think you're so close minded that you have no ideas of your own. they're all based in your church and in your book. i used to be a religious guy, very much like yourself. but then i started questioning things.....now, i know that there's no point in me trying to tell you that your religion is bullshit (even though i think ALL religion is bullshit), so i'm going to just ask you some simple questions to see if i can get any real answers from you - not from your preacher or pastor or church or the qu'ran - you. i want to hear your own opinion on what you're trying to promote. first question: what's your idea of a perfect world? (and, if you didn't read above, please refrain from starting any sentence with "allah says...." or "the almighty qu'ran says...."First of all, your posts make me sick, you always have my name in your mouth, and now your even starting threads about me. If I'm so closed and narrow-minded to you, then please enlighten me on your vast knowledge of human thought and behavior. You must be a very worldly and cosmopolitan thinker. One would think this about you, but really your just some fat ass geek who is sitting at his home worrying over whether or not to have bacon, ham, or sausage with your grade-A eggs in the morning, and periodically checking your computer to see what I'm going to say next. What is your fixation with me? Now, I have no problem answering your questions, but please, try to be more reserved in the role you play with me. Keep my name out of your mouth, and try asking the question without burdening us with your pubescent commentary. ....... okay, you asked what was my idea of a perfect world?I can't answer you without speaking from the Noble Qu'ran. Because my belief is in Islam, my life is in submission to the will of Allah. A perfect world would be a world where people were so motivated and caught up in worshipping and glorifying their Creator, that the energy level on Earth would be so high, that mankind would be unified in worship, and represent the true essence of Islam, and submit to Allah in the way the angels or the blade of grass that leans towards the sun, submits to the divine rule of it's existence, the same divine rule and ordinance that the sun and moon follow in their perscribed courses, mankind would be at peace with the whole universe for he worships Him Whom the whole Universe worships.Although not a perfect world, I have read about times in this world when man was in an enlightened state. During the Prophet Muhammad's time, after he reclaimed Mekkah, during the later centuries when the Islamic caliphate (ruler) was located in Baghdad in the 9th century, it was the center of science, mathamatics, and learning. Christian, Jewish and other world scholars would travel to Baghdad and attend lectures, compare notes, prosyletize and philosophize. The premium was placed on knowledge and intellect. Another great period in world history was during the time when the Islamic caliphate was in Spain in the latter part of the middle ages. The Jews also experienced their golden age of art and literature during this period. Justice prevailed, and they used science and inventions in a way that was not harmful to people and the enviroment. Also, even more recently, during the times of the Ottoman Empire that lasted till the 20th century. Under the Ottoman Empire, they lived in a pluralistic society. If the government ever became to narrow minded and fascist, there were revolts lead by Sufi scholars but these revolts appealed to man's intellect, knowledge and spirituality. Those were all good periods to live in. Now, the premium is placed on power. It doesn't matter whether your right or wrong, whoever has the most money or the biggest guns makes the rules. I feel like back in those times the premium was placed on knowledge. And you could shape and mold the society by appealing to ones intellect. It seems that today in the West especially the forces are working to keep man in an ignorant state, and that the ultimate motivation is to promote consumerism and capatalism. Still, in many enclaves throughout the world, and even on the fringes of society, there is enlightenment and illumination. ....... if that doesn't answer your question, you can ask it again in a different way, try to do it more respectfully this time.when exactly will strap bombs around your middle and you blow yourself up?i like this guy
as for the answer to my question........you still didn't give me your idea of a perfect world b/c, like you said, you're speaking from the 'noble 'qu'ran'.........but anyways........in this perfect world you speak of everyone and everything worshipping allah. i want you to elaborate on this one.....i want to know what your idea of this is. i mean, some people would say that worshipping is standing there with your eyes closed and your hands and arms outstretched towards the sky. some people would say that worshipping is bowing on your knees. some people would say worshipping is anything as long as you do it with allah/god in mind. i want to know what your idea of worshipping is....what does a regular worship-filled city look like? what do the people do for work? what do the people do for worship? how much money do they make?
in this world, if everyone is worshipping allah, i've got to assume that everyone is actually a muslim. is there any 'bad' muslims? what distinguishes the 'better muslims from the lesser muslims? i mean, who lives in the mansion? who lives in the shack? who cleans the toilets? who develops computers? is there the development of computers in this perfect world?
this idea of a perfect world where everyone is equal and everyone is the same and does the same things does not exist to me. it can never exist. if it exists, we might as well kill off our individuality. which i don't understand why we should. god/allah made us the way we are, why should we all have to do the same thing? this would be a pretty boring world if we were all the same and had the same motivations and same ideas about everything, wouldn't it?