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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2005, 02:45:47 AM »
I think there's a middleground between "the cops did the right thing" and "the cops were fuckin lunatics".....

Did the cops have a reason to be suspicious about the man? Of course.
Since the man was illegally in the country, did he have a reason to be scared? Yeah.
Do we know about anyone else being after that guy? No.
Could the cops have gone about this in a better way? I think so. You don't just shoot someone 8 times under the basis of suspicion.

The police had to act in a split second. If I was in their situation I probably would have done the same thing.

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #76 on: July 26, 2005, 02:48:21 AM »
Seer... you mentioned that context is important, which it is... but I'd like to know at which point you believe it is reasonable to shoot a man 8 times on the basis of "suspicion".

He already gave the answer in this thread.


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« Reply #77 on: July 26, 2005, 02:50:06 AM »
yes i did.


he refused to stop when police asked him, he illegaly entered a subway station and boarded a train full of passengers.


put yourself in the mindset of an armed person specifically tasked with preventing suicide bombers on trains.


i'm NOT saying it was right, i'm saying it is an UNDERSTANDABLE action.

 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #78 on: July 26, 2005, 03:05:10 AM »
.. you said yourself that he was a "suspected" suicide bomber (fact is, he wasn't)...

why was he not a suspected bomber?

he came from the house they were watching..
he was wearing unseasonably large clothin.. which they though could be concealing something..
he refused to stop for the police

fact is he WAS

so my question is at what point should the suspicion lead to 8 shots to the guy's head.... I mean did the cops see anything resembling a bomb on the guy? I mean let's use the CWalker/Trauma mentality and ask if the guy said Allahu Akbar when he ran? LOL what did the guy do to make them go from "this guy is suspicious" to "this guy is gonna blow this shit up"

the "suspicion" you said doesn't exist was heightened by the fact that he made a direct bee line for a train fill of passengers.. that is the exact worse thing dude could have done in his situation. to the dude himself... theres obviously nothing wrong with that.

but the police DID suspect of him being a bomber therefore they took the necessary actions to prevent a detonation..

 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2005, 03:06:33 AM »
LOL... no man.. I said "he was a "suspected" suicide bomber (fact is, he wasn't)"... as in wasn't a suicide bomber.
 

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« Reply #80 on: July 26, 2005, 03:08:59 AM »
right.

well.. rmovnig that confusin.. most of the second part of my reply still stands..

i expect there is some kind of "threat" model these armed police follow which escalates until the suspect boards a train.

the guys actions sadly ran him up the levels of this threat model
 

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« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2005, 03:15:44 AM »
So in conclusion ... the cops' actions are understandable but not right...?
 

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« Reply #82 on: July 26, 2005, 03:22:52 AM »
well only not right in the sense that dude was innocent.

he should have stopped when the police told him to. i would.

thing is ... i don't know if uniformed officers were also involved..

he may have believed they were police and run anyway due to this alleged visa thing..

but surely he must have known about the bombings and known there'd be extra police around..
so running into a station AWAY from the police where he knows that police presence has been increased
is also a pretty dumb move..

 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #83 on: July 26, 2005, 03:43:52 AM »

no. you miss my point about the cops having a "threat" order. therefore they didnt have so many decisions to make.. they were following a set plan. a lot of their decisions were already made.



 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #84 on: July 26, 2005, 06:23:36 AM »
UK to speed compensation claim for Brazil victim
25 Jul 2005 19:57:12 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Katherine Baldwin

LONDON, July 25 (Reuters) - Britain promised on Monday to deal "sympathetically and quickly" with a claim for compensation from the family of a Brazilian who was shot dead by police in London after being mistaken for a suicide bomber.

Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was killed by police at Stockwell underground station in south London on Friday in what police admit was a tragic error.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission, investigating his death, said on Monday Menezes was shot eight times.

The commission has said "the claim (for compensation) would be handled sympathetically and quickly," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told reporters at a joint news conference with his Brazilian counterpart Celso Amorim.

Straw also said police had promised to expedite the release of Menezes body to his family, described by Amorim as "humble".

Menezes' death, which has angered Brazilians, came a day after four bombs left on underground trains and a bus failed to explode in an attack apparently designed to mirror four suicide bombings on July 7 that killed 52 people.

Police said Menezes had emerged from a building that was under surveillance and had then taken a bus to Stockwell station, where he refused orders to halt and ran onto an underground train.

As relatives and friends struggled to understand why Menezes would have run from the police, Straw and Amorim both said they understood the Brazilian electrician, who friends say had been in the country for three years, was living legally in Britain.

The Home Office has declined to comment on his immigration status.

Asked if he was satisfied with Britain's response to the shooting, Amorim said it was too early to say:

"I think I can only give that reply in full when all the stages already mentioned have been fulfilled, when the investigation has been completed and if guilty people have been punished, if it was an accident or an error or whether it was something else, when the questions relating to the family have been settled," he said.

Amorim said he stressed to Straw the fight against terrorism had to be conducted with respect for human rights.

"Of course if things happen in the way that they apparently happened this time it may play into the hands of terrorism," he added.

Relatives and friends want to know why police did not attempt to stop Menezes as he travelled on the bus to the underground station and how exactly they ordered him to stop.

There are already over 100 witness statements, the Commission said.

The second wave of attacks has left British police scrambling to find four men they fear are prepared to blow up themselves and the public.

Despite the shooting of Menezes, police have defended their policy to shoot to kill suspected suicide bombers.
 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2005, 08:49:41 AM »
they fucked up when they shot him in the head 5-8 times. whatever it was.
 

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« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2005, 10:06:04 AM »
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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2005, 10:52:05 AM »
does it really matter how many times he was shot? hes dead it doesn't make any difference

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2005, 11:17:55 AM »
the cops followed correct procedures once again. more than likely you won't see any punishment come to those involved.

the only good thing to come from this is that news article taht mauzip posted up, at least the family will get some sort of settlement
 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2005, 12:13:25 PM »
does it really matter how many times he was shot? hes dead it doesn't make any difference

last time i chked it usually takes 1 bullet in the head to kill somebody. 8 seems a bit excessive.
 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #90 on: July 26, 2005, 03:09:01 PM »
Mauzip and Overseer = CWalker mentality in this thread.

You are a moron. Tell me exactly what you would have done if you were a police officer in that situation. Remember, this guy was living in a building under surveillance for terrorist activity, wearing a long coat in the middle of summer, and running through the subway system ignoring police calls to stop just days after a series of terrorist attacks.

Are you going to tell me you that if you were a cop you wouldn't have shot him? What if he had been an actual terrorist and the cops had not shot him.......and he ended up setting off a bomb and killling hundreds of innocent people? You probably would be complaining about the cops not doing their job and killing a terrorist when they had the chance.

It is so easy to bad mouth the cops when they have to make split second decisions. But you can't second guess them. If you want to blame anyone for this man's death, put the blame where it really belongs: the terrorists who have created this whole situation.

If I was a Police Officer in that situation I would have cuffed him after the other two cops had pinned him down instead of shooting him in the back like they did, that's some over the top actions.

Tell me what the difference would have been had the Police not shot him, what difference would it have made seeming they had him pinned down? Maybe the man would still be alive and their mistake with what he was up to found out, or maybe if he had have been a terrorist they would have been able to get information that might have helped save lives from further attacks, but instead they killed him and created a situation where people will now fear the police and be nervous around them and after all nerves can cause poeple to do things they wouldn't normally do and more innocent people will get killed.

It's not the Terrorists that have implemented policies of 'Shoot to Kill' and it is not them who are justifying these policies but it is them reaping the rewards of such policies, policies that meen certain groups within our societies now live in fear of the police, policies that encourage us not to trust those who don't look normal and to pry into the private lives of those who do dress and act like the majority, these policies result in people who aren't normal being treated different which mean's the free and open minded societies that we are supposedly protecting against the terrorists are no longer free and open minded. When you start taking away people rights and create division amongst people you help these terrorists achieve their so called goals, so if you believe that their reason for killing westerners is because of how free we are why are you then supporting actions that result in the lose of the most important freedom, the freedom to live?

This man had a right to live and that was taken away by politicians who are doing exactly what is needed to a) create a state of fear amongst people and b) achieve the so called goals of their enemy.

Real talk

It's not real talk. The reason why the British police is using this policy is because if a terrorist is still by conscience he can still let the bomb go off. That is why they don't shoot him in the legs or in the back.

I might ber  a bit slow on the uptake here so can you explain to me how him being dead is going to stop him detonating the bomb that didn't exist any more than him being hand cuffed by the police, if this was a bomb with a timer him being alive or dead wouldn't have made a difference, if it needed a button pushed or a trigger pulled he wouldn't have been able to do that when cuffed and being held down by two police officers so i'm not sure how exactly killing this man (and not just killing him but shooting him eights times which is imposible to justify because he would have been dead after one or two bullets in the head) could have prevented an explsosion anymore than detaining him as he was aldreay being pinned down by two police officers when he was shot.

So how was he going to let the bomb off once he was cuffed?

Now let's look at some off the reason's people are saying he was suspected or why he wasn't totally innocent.

He was in the country illegaly:
As relatives and friends struggled to understand why Menezes would have run from the police, Straw and Amorim both said they understood the Brazilian electrician, who friends say had been in the country for three years, was living legally in Britain.

He should have stopped when police told him to:
Eyewitnesses reported that up to twenty police officers in plain clothes pursued Menezes into Stockwell station

Lee Ruston, who was waiting on the platform, said the police made no efforts to identify themselves

He was wearing a big jacket:
At the time of the shooting, the temperature in London was about 17C/62F [1], which is chilly enough that someone who grew up in a hot climate might well want to dress warmly.

As for the jumping the ticket thing how many kids do that? should they all be shot?



 

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #91 on: July 26, 2005, 03:40:41 PM »
The police done the right thing and it's as simple as that. There is no point to keep going on about it, sadly this guy is died (R.I.P.) by accident and that can't be changed. To blame the police is ludicrous they did what they thought was necessary and if you want to place the blame on them place equal blame on the victim and the terrorists.
 

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« Reply #92 on: July 26, 2005, 04:57:08 PM »
The police done the right thing and it's as simple as that. There is no point to keep going on about it, sadly this guy is died (R.I.P.) by accident and that can't be changed. To blame the police is ludicrous they did what they thought was necessary and if you want to place the blame on them place equal blame on the victim and the terrorists.

Tomorrow I gonna get drunk and shoot random people in their heads. They could be terrorists with bombs, I feel like my life is threatened. I'm defending myself. You can call me guilty, but place equal blame on the terrorists, they fuck with my mind. And the victims, too. They look so suspicous, wearing jackets and being not white. I should get off scott-free, like those naughty ass cops.
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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #93 on: July 26, 2005, 05:23:34 PM »
i'd rather have a dead brazilian guy than a police force unable to eliminate potential threats to public safety

iraq would just get annexed by iran


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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2005, 09:05:04 PM »
"I'd rather have 50 Brits blown up on a few trains than go without a cheeseburger for a week"

any cheeseburger?

cause a whopper is about 50 brits a big mac..maybe 30
 

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« Reply #95 on: July 27, 2005, 04:32:27 AM »
You know it's funny... you had to throw in the guy's nationality like that, and you didn't even mention the fact that it's not just a Brazilian, but an INNOCENT MAN. "I'd rather have a DEAD BRAZILIAN".... you fucking piece of shit.. you faggots and your white people's lives are worth more than the lives of non-whites... go fuck yourself
quit with your conspiracies wouldn't care if he was brazillian, american, mongolian or british whatever the fuck, i'd rather have the police fully able to do their jobs of keeping london safe than appease human rights activists who are never happy with anything and don't seem to understand the entire public should have more rights than potential terrorists.

iraq would just get annexed by iran


That would be a great solution.  If Iran and the majority of Iraqi's are pleased with it, then why shouldn't they do it?
 

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« Reply #96 on: July 27, 2005, 04:37:18 AM »
What the fuck has the guys race got to do with anything, for all we know it could have been a black cop that shot him.

Pick a scenario:

"Police shoot innocent man mistaken for a terrorist."

"Bomber attacks tube station, police do nothing"

It's a lose lose situation but I know what one I prefer.
 

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« Reply #97 on: July 27, 2005, 04:49:19 AM »
What the fuck has the guys race got to do with anything, for all we know it could have been a black cop that shot him.

Pick a scenario:

"Police shoot innocent man mistaken for a terrorist."

"Bomber attacks tube station, police do nothing"

It's a lose lose situation but I know what one I prefer.

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Re: Breaking News!!! London police shoot innocent man in head 5 times
« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2005, 08:35:54 AM »
Man, British police don't know how to handle guns. Leave the killing to the U.S.A.

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« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2005, 08:53:41 AM »
i'd rather have a dead brazilian guy than a police force unable to eliminate potential threats to public safety

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