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Europe's Defamation of the Prophet
Jome:
--- Quote from: Jome on February 09, 2006, 08:28:40 PM ---The Danish government officials already explained that they can not apologize on behalf of Jyllands-Posten since they didn't do anything illegal
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That's the bottom line.
Either the paragraph mentioned is a sleeping one, meaning: already outdated, or the Danish authorities figured what millions of other people figured, it's a joke. Or both.
Jome:
Just saw the edited post about France, do you have a link to it ?
I'd like to see what "racist defamation" they were convicted for as well, cartoons/caricatures is one thing, spreading hate propaganda or racism is a whole another case.
The freedom of speech doesn't go to well with racism, you can't say that a comic caricature is the same as spreading racism & hate, with the intent to create chaos/conflicts.
--- Quote ---In the same way, if Muslim values include that the Prophet shouldn't be depicted, especially not in the way that this newspaper did, and these countries are doing it in the name of "freedom of speech", they're putting their values above the values of the Muslims.
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Sharia laws does not apply here, except maybe in some muslim communities who thinks it stands over the countries own laws.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Jome on February 09, 2006, 09:17:29 PM ---The freedom of speech doesn't go to well with racism, you can't say that a comic caricature is the same as spreading racism & hate, with the intent to create chaos/conflicts.
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A comic caricature can't be used to spread racism and hate? It doesn't have to be with the intent to create chaos/conflicts... but it can definitely spread racism/hate. The ones you posted about Jews coming from the Middle East attest to this. In the same way, Europe has used such caricatures to spread exactly that... racism/hate... for centuries... especially anti-Semitic ones... and anti-Islamic ones during the Middle Ages... used as propaganda for support of the crusades.
Jome:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---A comic caricature can't be used to spread racism and hate? It doesn't have to be with the intent to create chaos/conflicts... but it can definitely spread racism/hate.
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Sure it can, but I guess most people found the Danish caricatures comic, and not offensive, unlike the muslim world did.
If the newspaper was, say, Iran based, or Syria based, the whole newspaper staff would probably be locked up for good now.
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---The ones you posted about Jews coming from the Middle East attest to this.
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Yup, but why wasn't there big reactions, protest marches, or riots after these pictures ?
It's all about perception, I doubt anybody could foresee riots or embassy torching over these cartoons, far worse things have been printed about Christianity.
All the Danish Imam's did, was bring more publicity to the pictures, and helped improve the tension on purpose, they're the big force between the whole conflict.
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---Europe has used such caricatures to spread exactly that... racism/hate... for centuries... especially anti-Semitic ones... and anti-Islamic ones during the Middle Ages... used as propaganda for support of the crusades.
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It's a new day and a new world, most Western countries have thousands or millions of muslims in their countries, and all other races/religions, there's no crusade.
With all the suicide bombing and terror acts going on, in the majority of cases performed by muslims, it's almost strange that there hasn't been caricatures/parodies before..
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Jome on February 09, 2006, 10:17:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---A comic caricature can't be used to spread racism and hate? It doesn't have to be with the intent to create chaos/conflicts... but it can definitely spread racism/hate.
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Sure it can, but I guess most people found the Danish caricatures comic, and not offensive, unlike the muslim world did.
If the newspaper was, say, Iran based, or Syria based, the whole newspaper staff would probably be locked up for good now.
GOOD JOB SHERLOCK... IT AMAZES ME HOW WELL YOU PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER THERE... "MOST PEOPLE FOUND IT COMIC, NOT OFFENSIVE, UNLIKE THE MUSLIM WORLD".... ONE CAN ONLY WONDER WHY THAT IS SO... LOLLLL
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---The ones you posted about Jews coming from the Middle East attest to this.
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Yup, but why wasn't there big reactions, protest marches, or riots after these pictures ?
It's all about perception, I doubt anybody could foresee riots or embassy torching over these cartoons, far worse things have been printed about Christianity.
All the Danish Imam's did, was bring more publicity to the pictures, and helped improve the tension on purpose, they're the big force between the whole conflict.
I NEVER STATED THAT RIOTS/EMBASSY TORCHINGS WERE FORESEEN.
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on February 09, 2006, 09:37:11 PM ---Europe has used such caricatures to spread exactly that... racism/hate... for centuries... especially anti-Semitic ones... and anti-Islamic ones during the Middle Ages... used as propaganda for support of the crusades.
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It's a new day and a new world, most Western countries have thousands or millions of muslims in their countries, and all other races/religions, there's no crusade.
With all the suicide bombing and terror acts going on, in the majority of cases performed by muslims, it's almost strange that there hasn't been caricatures/parodies before..
I DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS A CRUSADE GOING ON. IT'S THE CONCEPT... THAT THERE IS A NOTION OF A "CLASH OF CIVILIZATION". THERE HAVE BEEN PARODIES BEFORE... YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK TO NOT KNOW THAT. THE MUSLIMS AREN'T ANGRY ABOUT "BEING MADE FUN OF".... IT'S THE DEPICTION OF THE PROPHET IN THIS WAY THAT THEY'RE RIOTING OVER.
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