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So your gonna play games with the less advantaged by playing on their waeknesses so they'll beilive your religon/views of life? Either way you shouldn't say " white people were created by an evil scientist" unless you mean it, beacuse that's the same attitude behind the rascism African-Americans have encoutered over the the past 400 years.
Now that probably doesn't mean anything to all of you, but there are people out there who do care for the disenfranchised.
What I was trying to explain is that I believe Fard Muhammad also didn't believe that white people were created by an evil scientist, but I think that out of his concern for black people living in oppression, he said certain things to reach them and get through to them, and then later they have steered the focus away from such teachings.
Didn't Elijah believe that he himself was the prophet? All the Muslims I know (and I know a lot) have no respect or regard for him and say he would not be welcome by Orthdox Muslims or allowed to enter Mecca. Is this true?
didn't farrakkhan say he believed that white people were created by an evil scientist?
that early noi doctrine was in many ways a response to nazi germany's concept of the aryan race being a master race
I honestly don't believe Farrakhan has changed a whole lot. When I read Malcolm X's speech after he came back from the Hajj, I could tell the brother was genuine and had completely changed his outlook. But Farrakhan...dude has always struck me as being particularly good at telling people what they want to hear, and I remember how I used to buy into what he said myself. But the thing is, he's most definitely all about business, and by the 80s', the AMM was stealing away a lot of the NOI's power and influence. If anything, I think he's simply toned down the "blue-eyed devil" rhetoric because he realized that being public about it was bad for the NOI's image and lessened their chances of successful recruiting. I have yet to meet one NOI member who didn't still hold those views, even today.
BTW, MC Ren is no longer in the NOI.
What's really interesting is that Elijah Muhammad once invited George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazy Party, to lecture at an NOI meeting.
As I've said in other threads, I've been down that road before in my life, thinking of Farrakhan as a personal hero and thinking of white people as "devils". That was when I was an angry and rebellious young brother, but I done changed since.
As an orthodox Muslim, you should be deeply disturbed and offended by the NOI's separatist doctrine, which undermines the very prospect of universalism on which Islam was founded.
malcolm x left the noi. it was easy for him to completely renounce those beliefs. louis farrakhan restarted the noi to get back to the teachings of elijah mohammad. although he has toned down the message, it would be difficult for him to completely abandon the original message; it would be abandoning the very reason he restarted the noi. thus his statements have to be more calculated.
without question there is a history of anti-semitism within the noi. all i'm saying is farrakhan has tried to abandon that message.
what about farrakhan's message of self-reliance and self-discipline? if you look at the speech originally linked, he's saying alot of good, positive things that i think you would agree with. it's only the history of the noi that you are disagreeing with, not what he is saying now.
you are criticizing old doctrine.
The fact that he even restarted the NOI in the first place seems wrong. Why not just follow W.D. Mohammed and support the AMM?
I simply don't believe that doctrine isn't heavily instilled in NOI members to this day. Every muh'fucka I've ever met who's NOI is still very much anti-white/anti-Semitic/separatist in the most literal way imaginable, not in a metaphorical context as you and Infinite are trying to place it.
Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgűl on February 22, 2006, 12:26:40 AMSo your gonna play games with the less advantaged by playing on their waeknesses so they'll beilive your religon/views of life? Either way you shouldn't say " white people were created by an evil scientist" unless you mean it, beacuse that's the same attitude behind the rascism African-Americans have encoutered over the the past 400 years.You can sit here and second guess the teachings of Fard Muhammad if you like, but the bottom line is, you ain't out on the front lines, deep in the city trying to raise up a people who had been seperated from their continent, culture, way of life, and forced into slavery.What I was trying to explain is that I believe Fard Muhammad also didn't believe that white people were created by an evil scientist, but I think that out of his concern for black people living in oppression, he said certain things to reach them and get through to them, and then later they have steered the focus away from such teachings.
Many comments were said, I think it's been a beneficial discussion on both ends, props to Nibs for actually listening to the audio and also for providing us with useful insight and info. I can't copy and paste everything so let me just comment on a few things that immediately come to mind.-I wouldn't look at it so much as virtuoso said, as Farakhan "changing". Rather, I think he is a man who is sincerely and deeply concerned with the plight of black people. He is sincerely motivated towards uplifting oppressed people all over the world, and he is clearly very angry at imperialist perpetrated by America, Isreal, and Britian. With that being said, he has many followers, he is looked upon as a spiritual leader of thousands of black men. He takes this job very seriously. He cares deeply for his followers. It has been reported in different accounts, that when presented with the orthodox Islam question, Fard, Elijah, and Farakhan have held the mindset that their people "weren't quite ready for it yet" or that "they needed to be cleaned up" first, or that "there first has to be black unity before their can be any black/white unity."...in other words, to make a long story short. I don't think that Fard, Elijah, or Farakhan have changed their beliefs, I think it is more that they tend to give their followers what they are ready and prepared for. As Elijah said once, "feed the babies milk, not meat." In other words, what he is saying is these men just came into Islam from lives that many times have been very rough, and they are trying to feed their followers knowledge; piecemeal, slowly but surely developing their minds and their spirits. Somehow, deep down I do believe that the ultimate goal and intent is for them to be unified with Muslims all over the world.-Also, somebody on here tried to claim that Farakhan wanted to commit genocide against white people or something like that. This is totally false. He has told his followers that when they (non-white people) come to power, they don't want to be like the Jews and do the same thing to somebody else that they had done to them (meaning Jews persecuted by Hitler then persecuting the Palestinians.)
most black people at least those with some kind of sense realise they are in a melting pot along with many whites and as such its the government and its bankrollers who are the enemy.
I believe most black people at least those with some kind of sense realise they are in a melting pot along with many whites and as such its the government and its bankrollers who are the enemy.