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Reason Why Many White People Don't Accept Islam Is Similar To Why The Jews...
h cottie is bac-tive?:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on March 17, 2006, 10:26:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: h cottie on March 13, 2006, 11:13:47 AM ---through islam i've learned that it's never wise to force your religion upon another
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You really needed Islam to reach this conclusion?
I've reached it long time ago, without being Muslim for some reason.
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yes i did and thats why Jehova's Witnesses can suck my dick
Shallow:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on March 17, 2006, 10:26:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: h cottie on March 13, 2006, 11:13:47 AM ---through islam i've learned that it's never wise to force your religion upon another
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You really needed Islam to reach this conclusion?
I've reached it long time ago, without being Muslim for some reason.
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I don't think he ever said you had to be Muslim to learn that. No need to antagonize. You can use logic and reasoning to come to any conclusion with regards to morality. Thinking you have to follow any particular religion to come to those conclusions is ridiculous. That doesn't mean that some don't learn that from the scriptures they read. Morality pre-dates any written down religion, but religion still for hte most part writes of morality so many will learn morality through religion.
I TO DA GEEZY:
I wasn't antagonizing. I guess it's in the eyes of the beholder though. I simply asked a question to which he had answered in the affirmative, as u can most likely see.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 13, 2006, 01:01:54 PM ---As for pushing my religion. My interpretation of Christianity is very different from most. While I personally choose to believe in the whole son of God thing I can easily see it metaphorically or even as something greater.
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i think it's safe to say that that sort of metaphorical view is not inconsistent with islam. the issue in the qu'ran with christ is that god isn't a man with a seed that impregnates women. the virgin conception of mary is accepted by the qu'ran. christ is inspired by the holy spirit according to the qu'ran. it's just the notion of god begetting a child, and that's problematic. also the notion that god has equals is inconsistent with the qu'ran. the qu'ran readily accepts the notion that christ's birth was miraculous, and does not challenge the notion that christ was a divine indidual (certainly more divine than most). it's really two small technical points where the disagreement occurs.
sura 19:17-21
She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God."
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
and in sura 21:
sura 21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.
the argument over the nature of christ between islam and the some of the more popular denominations of christianity is a small distinction, but also very significant.
the similarities between the two far outweigh the differences.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on February 27, 2006, 04:06:32 PM ---There it is again, you taking a small percentage of whites which represents no where near the minority and make it seem like most whites act like this. It's no different than saying most muslim rioted over the cartoons.
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look at the american government, and this dubai ports issue. 95% of the american government, both democrats and republicans, have made it clear that they just don't trust arabs period. the uae is one of the few arab states (along with kuwait & qatar) that have been helpful and accomodating in the war against iraq. for example the saudis opposed the u.s. using bases in saudi arabia; turkey (not arab, but muslim) denied usage of u.s. bases and their airspace; as a result u.s. troops and operations largely were based in kuwait, qatar and the uae. if the u.s. govt feels they cannot trust one of the few arab states that supported their preemptive war against another arab state (iraq); it's clear that the u.s. government feels it cannot trust any arabs at all. it's clear that this is a position widely held across the u.s; based on the reaction to this dubai issue.
it seems clear to me that in the u.s. the arab world is not respected. the cartoon issue that you referenced make it clear to me that in europe, the muslim world is not respected either.
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