NEW YORK DID NOT INVENT HIP HOP!!!!!

[Eihtball]

New York put the culture together. It was always out there, but it was New York that it finally became a culture, something that was whole and represented the poor people of New York. Old School Hip-Hop people will also tell you that Latinos had HUGE impact of Hip-Hop and how it came together in New York. Kool Herc was a Jamacian immigrant, and he was the father of the culture, as he brough something very Jamacian to New York, to complete what was already there from other regions. And I've talked to Hip-Hop professors, and they'll tell you how each region added something to the culture, the west was popping and locking along with mural art from Mexican gang culture. But it came together in New York.

That's basically what I would say.  Even if hip-hop consists of elements that came from outside of New York originally, NY was where it became an actual culture in the first place.

As far as which region's the best, I dunno, but generally speaking, the East Coast has a far more diverse range of styles and has shown a better ability to adapt to the times, unlike the West (and unlike the South, as we'll probably see in a few years or so).  And the West and South both have reputations for being more about style than substance.

[h cottie is bac-tive?]

she got a mic, book of rhymes, a throwback jersey & an old school french durag. looks pretty hood 2 me 

[R-Tistic]

I think most people outside of NY would have no problem with givin NY credit for what they did with Hip Hop, even if they weren't the original inventors. I am sure that if you researched it even more, you'd probably find that the Jamaicans probably got the concept from slaves, and the slaves probably brought it from Africa with them, and it's probably a stlye of music or speech/poetry that resembles rap that was around a long ass time ago.

However...the fact that many NY people are so conceited about how "they started this hip hop shit" and the way that they think NY rap is ALWAYS better than anything else will make people find reasons to knock them and take credit away from them for any reason.

[herpes]

New York put the culture together. It was always out there, but it was New York that it finally became a culture, something that was whole and represented the poor people of New York. Old School Hip-Hop people will also tell you that Latinos had HUGE impact of Hip-Hop and how it came together in New York. Kool Herc was a Jamacian immigrant, and he was the father of the culture, as he brough something very Jamacian to New York, to complete what was already there from other regions. And I've talked to Hip-Hop professors, and they'll tell you how each region added something to the culture, the west was popping and locking along with mural art from Mexican gang culture. But it came together in New York.

thank you mdogg, and mdogg is from cali

[Matty]

popping (electric boogaloo style atleast, electric boogie is a name given to what cats in ny were doing which somewhat resemled this) and locking come before hip-hop and are not part of it, they are part of a seperate movements influenced by westcoast funk music and earlier mime performances as that extract states. they are funk styles that got grouped under the hip hop umbrella once people saw the dances or imitations of these dances next to eachother in the media when hip-hop first exploded.

locking has a clear cut history but popping due to the dozens of substyles and og's that stake a claim to it is still a highly contested debate. pm me if you want to learn more truth.

[Wessia4LiaNia Chieee Chieee]

I'll post my thoughts on that later...   but from what i know it really started in NYC   Afrika Baambataa and all that

[Crown]

I'll post my thoughts on that later...   but from what i know it really started in NYC   Afrika Baambataa and all that

Afrika Baambataa organized things that black people was already doing in other places anyway and developed it into a cultural movement called Hip Hop, which is an incredible feat, but NY took styles that originated in other places.[/i][/u]

My point is that New York cannot dictate what is real and what is not real bcuz they got this from somewhere else JUST LIKE THE REST OF US!

[Crown]

popping (electric boogaloo style atleast, electric boogie is a name given to what cats in ny were doing which somewhat resemled this) and locking come before hip-hop and are not part of it, they are part of a seperate movements influenced by westcoast funk music and earlier mime performances as that extract states. they are funk styles that got grouped under the hip hop umbrella once people saw the dances or imitations of these dances next to eachother in the media when hip-hop first exploded.

locking has a clear cut history but popping due to the dozens of substyles and og's that stake a claim to it is still a highly contested debate. pm me if you want to learn more truth.

I dont believe that ALL of those different styles out of the Bay was related to popping, plus the Robot was first and thats L.A. all the way, and from Roboting & Mime most of the other styles emerged.

[Oklin]

Guess what....It doesn't matter what region its from, what country, what race invented it.  It's important to know history, but its origins shouldn't detract from the love of the music.  I love any hip hop that reflects true artistic expression, whether its from the states, jamaica, europe, east, south, west, whatever. 

Hip hop needs to get back to focusing on skills and not hype.

[Juronimo]

I love reading about how hip hop emerged and the influences it had as far as how it began. I knew that many of the basic elements of hip hop culture came from Jamaica, as Kool Herc brought that influence to the hip hop culture. Also grafitti was done pretty much everywhere. Someone with more knowledge elaborate on how grafitti became an element of hip hop culture?

[Crown]

I love reading about how hip hop emerged and the influences it had as far as how it began. I knew that many of the basic elements of hip hop culture came from Jamaica, as Kool Herc brought that influence to the hip hop culture. Also grafitti was done pretty much everywhere. Someone with more knowledge elaborate on how grafitti became an element of hip hop culture?

http://www.subwayoutlaws.com/History/History.htm[url

[Fonky Fresh]

thats was a good reading

It doesnt really matter if it's from NY or not but when the money comes into the picture to fullfill ur bank account this is diffirent shit & so far I always heard NY was the ''source'' at least for the graffitis but i guess its wrong.
 

[OpTiCaL]

Crown, nice pasted article although i dont hink it supports your arguement even if i do agree with you


lmao dullard

your article aint bout hiphop as a music but as a culture ? and if thats that then why not take it back to the church with the preachers call outs and the "crowds" response...or even further back to the days of slavery when ways to "sing" and talk bout life was life...surely thats what the essence telling the story thru music or representin


and bout hiphop almost as we see it today what about the watts prophets...
...before you diss and tar everyone with the same brush...maybe you better use that brush to sweep your own preconcieved conceptions about other peoples knowledge away


 


peace tho nicca you arguement is weak but your point behind it is true


but this arguement can go on for time and time
 * because it depends on what your own true representation of hiphop is...if u talking mixin / djing the kool herc et al were the first cutting it up in a style the jamaicans hadnt by using new techniques ...


...ya get me bro ? 

[C-Swift]

Every music fan knows hip-hop and its elements started in the BRONX, NY in the 70s.

Enough said

[jose jackson]

Every music fan knows hip-hop and its elements started in the BRONX, NY in the 70s.

Enough said

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