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do the muslims on this board...
Shallow:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 08, 2006, 12:21:02 PM ---you deny half of your own bible in order to make your arguments. you deny the religion of jesus and the scriptures jesus studied to make your arguments. why is this?
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just want to share my beliefs regarding the Old Testament. I think Jesus made it very clear that much of the Old Testement can't be trusted since it filled with the ideas of man added to the ideas of God. He points out Moses a couple of times and corrects him and for this I only look to the Gospels as anything I would defend. Everything else is fair game as I feel it is filled with errors. I realize that someone could say they feel the Gospels have errors, but I am just specifying my personal beliefs stemmed from the fact that I haven't found anything in the Gospels I feel is remotely wrong. Not yet anyway.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 08, 2006, 03:15:59 PM ---I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just want to share my beliefs regarding the Old Testament. I think Jesus made it very clear that much of the Old Testement can't be trusted since it filled with the ideas of man added to the ideas of God. He points out Moses a couple of times and corrects him and for this I only look to the Gospels as anything I would defend.
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this is exactly why the holy qu'ran is so important. it provides greater clarity and understanding of the old testament, as well as clarifying misconceptions about the nature of christ.
the old testament supposedly represents a history of sorts. people wondered if the purpose of the religion was simply strict observance of the ten commandments and the laws of abraham. god is portrayed as a finicky and whimsical individual. the message largely has to be interpretted from this history.
your new testament has a series of verses about how everything is created with a specific purpose. a potter can make one clay vessel to honor and another to dishonor.
the holy qu'ran pulls all of this together. you mention the question of moses and his character, moses had a specific purpose. to lead the israelites out of egypt and deliver the ten commandments. the fact that he sins along the way (killing a man, disobeying god) is irrelevant. he was a messenger of god, delivered a warning to pharoah, served his purpose.
similarly, the prophet muhammad's purpose is clear. he brings good news and a warning for the disbelievers. he clarifies the message, purpose and laws. he clarifies the purpose and meaning of islam. he delivers the quran. that is the prophet's purpose, which he satisfied. the quran itself mentions that muhammad will commit future sins and accordingly be forgiven. thus muhammad is not perfect. he doesn't need to be perfect as his purpose was clear.
#11:
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 10:12:07 PM ---deny that mohammed married a 9 year old girl at the age of 54 ?
i'm not trying to diss here, i just want to know if you are aware of this, or if it's true.
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lol so every religion has its faults. whats the point here? yea he married a little girl and that was his choice right? at least he got to practice his 'freedom'. why do u keep posting all this irrelevent shit. u sound like a little bitch who is ignorant. just by reading all of your posts i know u are a dumbass. how would u konw what life was like 1400 years ago?? stop asking dumb ass questions dude. just let it be. 1 billion ppl follow it. just like the millions or billions of ppl who believe in jesus and who beleive in hinduism.
some things arent ment for u to understand so stop making comments i think uve already made a fucking jackass out of yourself.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 08, 2006, 05:31:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 08, 2006, 03:15:59 PM ---I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just want to share my beliefs regarding the Old Testament. I think Jesus made it very clear that much of the Old Testement can't be trusted since it filled with the ideas of man added to the ideas of God. He points out Moses a couple of times and corrects him and for this I only look to the Gospels as anything I would defend.
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this is exactly why the holy qu'ran is so important. it provides greater clarity and understanding of the old testament, as well as clarifying misconceptions about the nature of christ.
the old testament supposedly represents a history of sorts. people wondered if the purpose of the religion was simply strict observance of the ten commandments and the laws of abraham. god is portrayed as a finicky and whimsical individual. the message largely has to be interpretted from this history.
your new testament has a series of verses about how everything is created with a specific purpose. a potter can make one clay vessel to honor and another to dishonor.
the holy qu'ran pulls all of this together. you mention the question of moses and his character, moses had a specific purpose. to lead the israelites out of egypt and deliver the ten commandments. the fact that he sins along the way (killing a man, disobeying god) is irrelevant. he was a messenger of god, delivered a warning to pharoah, served his purpose.
similarly, the prophet muhammad's purpose is clear. he brings good news and a warning for the disbelievers. he clarifies the message, purpose and laws. he clarifies the purpose and meaning of islam. he delivers the quran. that is the prophet's purpose, which he satisfied. the quran itself mentions that muhammad will commit future sins and accordingly be forgiven. thus muhammad is not perfect. he doesn't need to be perfect as his purpose was clear.
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For you the Quran is the clarity. For me it is the Gospel. I have personal issues with some things in the Quran as you do with some things mentioned in the Bible. It's not even so much that I disagree with the Quran but that I don't disagree with anything in the Gospel. In the end we both follow the same basic message on how to live your life and neither believe the other will be punished for practicing the way we do, so long as we are righteous, or at least strive to be.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 08, 2006, 09:12:47 PM ---In the end we both follow the same basic message on how to live your life and neither believe the other will be punished for practicing the way we do, so long as we are righteous, or at least strive to be.
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real talk
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