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do the muslims on this board...
Kassem:
cause he's ass is insecure
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 10:12:07 PM ---deny that mohammed married a 9 year old girl at the age of 54 ?
i'm not trying to diss here, i just want to know if you are aware of this, or if it's true.
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Once a girl has reached puberty her body is ready physically for a sexual relationship. This country has a manmade law that you can't have sex with a woman until she is 18, but the law of nature says a woman is ready upon reaching puberty. Muhammad (saws) did not consumate the marriage until after she had reached puberty.
I also want to mention that Muhammad only had one wife Khadijah, from the time he was 25 till the time he was around 45. Khadijah was much older than Muhammad was. After Khadijah died that's when Muhammad married other women.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 08, 2006, 10:11:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 10:12:07 PM ---deny that mohammed married a 9 year old girl at the age of 54 ?
i'm not trying to diss here, i just want to know if you are aware of this, or if it's true.
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Once a girl has reached puberty her body is ready physically for a sexual relationship. This country has a manmade law that you can't have sex with a woman until she is 18, but the law of nature says a woman is ready upon reaching puberty. Muhammad (saws) did not consumate the marriage until after she had reached puberty.
I also want to mention that Muhammad only had one wife Khadijah, from the time he was 25 till the time he was around 45. Khadijah was much older than Muhammad was. After Khadijah died that's when Muhammad married other women.
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Just for the record; would you have a problem having sex with an 11 year old who just had her first period? (This isn't an insult or a rhetorical question. I just want to know what your personal feelings are).
coola:
^ hey if its accepted by society, just do it..
--- Quote from: z_dizzle on April 07, 2006, 06:51:29 AM ---that quote was not from the Quran btw
that is a quote form a source, who is very questionable as half the things he says are pornographic and inaccurate
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so what does the qu'ran state about aisha ?
--- Quote from: Kassem za ScarArab on April 07, 2006, 07:44:43 AM ---It was also at this time that he was betrothed to Aisha, the daughter of Abu Bakr, who later became the first Caliph and whom Sunnis consider to have been Muhammad's closest friend. Most Muslims believe that she was only six years old at the time of the betrothal (a mutual promise to marry), based on oral traditions, or hadith reported by Bukhari. However, there are other traditions, including Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad, that would indicate she was older[1][2].
Muhammad married Aisha after the Hijra, when she may have been anywhere from nine to seventeen years old. The marriage to Aisha may have been politically motivated initially, in that Abu Bakr was one of Muhammad's strongest supporters, and the marriage strengthened the ties between them
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are you happy to follow a religion, where your prophet marries for political reasons ? Jesus died for his beliefs, i doubt he would do anything for political reasons... i believe in that is considered selling your soul.
--- Quote from: regimemob510 on April 07, 2006, 11:37:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 06, 2006, 11:00:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 10:50:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: -Sikotic- on April 06, 2006, 10:42:59 PM ---Siblings married and had children not too long ago either. Morals and society changes over time and that was acceptable.
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shouldnt morals be pure of religion ? i mean if its the word of Allah, these arent human morals were talking about here...
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Of course. But what religion is truly pure? Nada. They're all established by human morals. That's how I see it.
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Islam is truly pure. Islam was created from the word of Allah, thru prophet muhammed, who was an illiterate man.... if you wanna understand Islam, you must understand the deites, Islam is the truest religion beginning to end, and that has been stated at prestigous universities such as stanford, harvard, berkeley etc....
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ok, so whats his illileracy got to do with anything ? he didnt write the qu'ran anyway.
to understand islam, you cannot understand islam, the good muslims on this board dont follow islam, they follow their own good version of it, which is blind to the real islam.
--- Quote from: nibs on April 07, 2006, 02:28:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 11:16:57 PM ---yeah but the quran, just like the bible, are said to be the word of God, through Jesus, or word of Allah through Mohammed... so how could someone accept a book which promotes pedophilia ? like yeah, the bible has alot of mythodology, but dont you have to accepts mythology to accept religion ? there is no scientific fact of the after-life, or anything for that matter...
and i'm not dissing, i'm just asking questions, if i dont ask these questions, how am i supposed to know ?
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look, read your bible. in the bible, moses sins and is punished by god and never reaches the land of canaan after he led the israelites out of egypt and after he received the ten commandments. are you going to write off the ten commandments, judiasm and christianity because moses sinned later in life? it's in the bible.
i am not prepared to call muhammad a sinner. aisha? it looks like that marriage was politically motivated. the age of the woman has been debated. the woman's father was the first caliph, so clearly noone in the community had a problem with the relationship, most importantly not her parents.
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yeah, the bible also says no human is perfect... and moses didnt marry a child. and just because the community was happy with it, what kind of excuse is that ? what if the whole communtiy was full of sinners ? what if the parents had an alterior motive, and didnt give a fuck about a FE-MALE child.
--- Quote from: nibs on April 08, 2006, 09:40:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jip on April 08, 2006, 09:17:47 AM ---whether the father liked it or not, or whether she was 9 or 19, the guy was supposedly about what 35 years older than her?
hes a peado anyway u look at it
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you are simply looking for reasons to criticize the prophet. 19 is acceptable by any standard. there are child kings and queens in the bible, it's often used to unite families, tribes and nations. not only was this marriage politically motivated, aisha was almost without question of an acceptable age ~19.
why do you insists on critizing the prophet?
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why do you blindly defend the prophet ?
--- Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on April 08, 2006, 10:11:23 AM ---
--- Quote from: Chief on April 06, 2006, 10:12:07 PM ---deny that mohammed married a 9 year old girl at the age of 54 ?
i'm not trying to diss here, i just want to know if you are aware of this, or if it's true.
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Once a girl has reached puberty her body is ready physically for a sexual relationship. This country has a manmade law that you can't have sex with a woman until she is 18, but the law of nature says a woman is ready upon reaching puberty. Muhammad (saws) did not consumate the marriage until after she had reached puberty.
I also want to mention that Muhammad only had one wife Khadijah, from the time he was 25 till the time he was around 45. Khadijah was much older than Muhammad was. After Khadijah died that's when Muhammad married other women.
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ohhh so he married OTHER WOMEN, not just one ? oh but she was dead, so thats cool...
nibs:
--- Quote from: Chief on April 08, 2006, 11:45:50 AM ---^ hey if its accepted by society, just do it..
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it's pretty self-righteous for one to claim they know better than a community, and better than god's prophet as well.
--- Quote ---so what does the qu'ran state about aisha ?
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the quran makes no direct reference to aisha. it makes mention of the prophet's wives in a couple places, but never of aisha directly. she is mentioned only in hadiths.
--- Quote ---are you happy to follow a religion, where your prophet marries for political reasons ? Jesus died for his beliefs, i doubt he would do anything for political reasons... i believe in that is considered selling your soul.
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you deny half of your own bible in order to make your arguments. you deny the religion of jesus and the scriptures jesus studied to make your arguments. why is this?
what does the motivation for the marriage matter? where is it ever suggested that the prophet mistreated any of his wives?
--- Quote ---to understand islam, you cannot understand islam, the good muslims on this board dont follow islam, they follow their own good version of it, which is blind to the real islam.
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what muslim does not follow the qu''ran? maybe they have additional sources (the hadiths) but it's all going to start with the qu'ran. anyone with a complete understanding of the qu'ran can appreciate it's goodness and truth. it's only those with a partial understanding of a handful of verses that deny this.
--- Quote ---how could someone accept a book which promotes pedophilia ?
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atleast read the quran before you criticize it. this issue of aisha's age does not appear in the quran, but in a hadith attributed to her. and her age has been questioned in that source.
--- Quote ---yeah, the bible also says no human is perfect... and moses didnt marry a child.
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moses killed a man.
--- Quote ---what if the parents had an alterior motive, and didnt give a fuck about a FE-MALE child.
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to my knowledge it's never been suggested anywhere that aisha was unhappy or mistreated, and many hadiths are attributed to aisha and accepted as her own words.
--- Quote ---why do you blindly defend the prophet ?
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this is a non-issue. the quran never claims the prophet muhammad was perfect, there is even a verse that states god has forgiven him his past sins and will forgive him his future sins as well, thus acknowledging that he is not perfect. i don't know that aisha was 19. it's a non-issue. only your stubbornness denies the fact that we don't actually know her age.
--- Quote ---ohhh so he married OTHER WOMEN, not just one ? oh but she was dead, so thats cool...
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there's nothing wrong with a man having multiple wives. abraham had multiple wives, or children from multiple women, and his wife sarah sent the mother of ismael (who was a wife or servant, i'd need to look it up) away iirc. sent the woman away. that's far more eggregious than this non-issue.
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