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Easter?
Shallow:
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--- Quote from: nibs on April 17, 2006, 08:21:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 07:53:24 AM ---^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So when did all this start happening for you? How old were you and how were you introduced to Islam and the Quran?
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infinite sent me a copy of the qu'ran in january, and i began studying it.
--- Quote ---P.S. I never felt the Gospel was a way to stay oppressed it just states you shouldn't commit evil to fight evil, but that no one can really be perfect so just make sure you are sorry when you do wrong and try harder to keep from doing it the next time.
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i agree that there are other ways to interpret the gospel; but the gospel has been used as a tool of oppression; and the emphasis on the afterlife has been used as a mechanism to subjugate conquered peoples.
i was in monterrey mexico last week (business \w a client based in mexico), i visited a couple local museums and was able to see some of the exhibits on the aztecs and other native cultures. it's one things to hear the story of how religion was theoretically used to subjugate peoples; it's extremely powerful to be able to see the actual tools that were used. they artifacts of crosses with an image representing the face of jesus blended along with other symbols of the native religions. indicating that "our god has dominated your gods"; and also tricking people to embrace and worship jesus along with the native customs. they also had artifacts of mary with the baby jesus and the back drop of native symbols and images. the usurping of the symbols of those native religions very closely parallels the catholic churches policy of adopting pagan holidays and reinterpretting them within christianity.
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So you've only been Muslim since January?
And who cares what people use in the name of a religion and what that has to do with a religion. The Turks used Islam to take over and oppress my ancestors for 400 years, and then used it kill 1.5 million Armenians in a holocaust, and whatever Greek they found, then sent all the Greeks in Turkey into Greece in hopes of there being more people than resources to take care of them. I never held Islam at fault because some jackass in Turkey enslaved my great great great great Grandfather and told him "you know if you were Muslim we couldn't enslave you", a nice little trick I'm sure that got many slaves to convert just to get out of bondage.
For the record I'm Orthodox Christian and the Cathloic Churches decision don't have much affect on me or how I believe. Even the Easter Eggs stem from a story that Mary Magdelene turned white eggs into red eggs infront of Caesar. I can read up on how Islam was created from the paganism in the area. The moon God Al ilah of the old Pagan arabs seems to some little connections to to aspects of Islamic beliefs.
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your wrong here ,the moon god was called hubal .but in arabic when we say gods we say illah so ,before islam there was more the one god so hubal was called illah hubal and he was the moon god. islam doesn't have to do anything with the moon ,then when the ottamon khalifa started they took their one emblem and put it in every mosque ,to show their control over the region. so in arabic illah means one of the gods .allah means the god .thats like in english you call the hindu deties gods ,but call jesus god. so illah----gods allah----the god(one--no partner)
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I meant it as a counter point to the claims that Christianity had been paganized. I didn't mean that Islam was founded on the moon God. I'm just saying there are muslims that "this" about Christianity, and chrsitians that say "that" about Islam. And athiests that think both are nuts. I think the two different sides of finger pointing is just one trying to justify their beliefs over another. I don't need justifivation. I belive what I feel is right and see no point in trying to prove religion since I know that elder monks and imams have spent lifetimes of prayer, faith and wisdom and still can't convince the other.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 10:02:13 AM ---I think the two different sides of finger pointing is just one trying to justify their beliefs over another.
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let's clarify this: i wasn't finger pointing; i was illustrating how christianity had been used to both oppress people and then subjugate them to the laws of their oppressors. the adoption of the symbolism of the native religions were a part of this. we both agree that this has nothing to do with christianity. but a perversion used by individuals for their own gain. this returns to the original question of why do christians continue to embrace these holidays with the pagan roots, as originally they had nothing to do with christianity.
it isn't an attack on christianity but on traditions that have their roots in deception and oppression.
herpes:
--- Quote from: Professor Tech on April 16, 2006, 11:24:41 AM ---lol @ u easter bunnies catchin feelins
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u catch the same feelings when someone talks shit about islam
dexter:
--- Quote from: nibs on April 17, 2006, 06:14:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on April 16, 2006, 06:05:03 PM ---Why does it bother you if Christians celebrate Easter? I'm agnostic but it doesn't bother me in the least bit if people celebrate easter, hanukkah (i'm sure i butchered the spelling), ramadan, whatever. This day doesn't hold significance to me at all, but it does to others. So on a day that some people do find happiness, why does that bother you?
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most christian holidays do have pagan origins, so asking people their opinions on these holidays isn't necessarily an intolerant question. the catholic church hijacked and redefined many pagan holidays as a way of attracting christian converts.
there are several christian sects that do not support these holidays. jehovah's witnesses do not celebrate easter. seventh day adventists (i attended this church as a youth) acknowledge the pagan origins, but see no real harm in celebrating christmas or easter...etc. even if it is a pagan holiday that has adapted pagan symbolism; it's not like they start worshipping the pagan gods.
i don't see the harm in questioning the holiday, or asking people why they celebrate it. down in mexico they took the week off and were going to church everyday. that can't be a bad thing.
why isn't the effect to which the catholic church shaped the current direction of christianity, and the motivation behind those actions a valid question? the catholic influence represents an interesing shift in focus, as many of the early christians largely focused on understanding and following christ's teachings; yet the catholic church shifted that focus to a celebration of christ, and to a lesser extent mary. the easter holiday is a direct reflection of this.
i don't see this as an issue of intolerance.
PAGANS! Pagans
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ZILLA THA GOODFELLA:
So I guess it's a hoax so these big American companies can make money off easter eggs and lil bunnies right? pshhhhhh.... Look, alot of Christian activities doesn't make sense to the modern man just like Islam. The day however shouldn't be slandered because it doesn't make sense to you, it promotes remembrance and brings families together which is a great and positive thing to do. In the middle east days like this aren't CELEBRATED, they are MOURNED with negative energy. I have personally experienced both sides. That's the only difference.
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