It's May 21, 2024, 06:38:30 AM
It is not the religion, it's the heart of the man. Remember that.
Quote from: Islamic Khalifah Sultan Abdul Hamid- 1908- on March 30, 2006, 08:05:15 PMI'm your average white American citizenWhat I'm argueing is he contradictes himself in saying he is American, says Americans are living a lie, then thinks he isn't living a lie despite the fact that he is American.
I'm your average white American citizen
But instead of celebrating life, they mourn it. In the Middle East muthafucaz parade around BEATING THEMSELVES when holidays like these come around EVERY FUCKIN YEAR, it never ends. So it isn't because Americans are ABOUT family, it is because they are NOT! And I don't side with Americans, I side with pure logic.Also, you're exposed and brain-washed by all the Anti-Americans, I don't agree with alot of the bullshit in America either, but I do side with logic and logic says that the percentage of people who are on hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine is MUCH higher in the Middle East, a mostly Muslim region. So don't stereotype, be real about your shit. Have you ever been to the ghettos of Middle East and seen muthafucaz play with needles every other hour like its cigarrets? These are the same people who pray 5 times a day. Does that make the religion of Islam a bad thing? No, the principles are beautiful.
Quote from: Jrome The Marauder on April 16, 2006, 06:05:03 PMWhy does it bother you if Christians celebrate Easter? I'm agnostic but it doesn't bother me in the least bit if people celebrate easter, hanukkah (i'm sure i butchered the spelling), ramadan, whatever. This day doesn't hold significance to me at all, but it does to others. So on a day that some people do find happiness, why does that bother you?most christian holidays do have pagan origins, so asking people their opinions on these holidays isn't necessarily an intolerant question. the catholic church hijacked and redefined many pagan holidays as a way of attracting christian converts.there are several christian sects that do not support these holidays. jehovah's witnesses do not celebrate easter. seventh day adventists (i attended this church as a youth) acknowledge the pagan origins, but see no real harm in celebrating christmas or easter...etc. even if it is a pagan holiday that has adapted pagan symbolism; it's not like they start worshipping the pagan gods.i don't see the harm in questioning the holiday, or asking people why they celebrate it. down in mexico they took the week off and were going to church everyday. that can't be a bad thing.why isn't the effect to which the catholic church shaped the current direction of christianity, and the motivation behind those actions a valid question? the catholic influence represents an interesing shift in focus, as many of the early christians largely focused on understanding and following christ's teachings; yet the catholic church shifted that focus to a celebration of christ, and to a lesser extent mary. the easter holiday is a direct reflection of this.i don't see this as an issue of intolerance.PAGAN
Why does it bother you if Christians celebrate Easter? I'm agnostic but it doesn't bother me in the least bit if people celebrate easter, hanukkah (i'm sure i butchered the spelling), ramadan, whatever. This day doesn't hold significance to me at all, but it does to others. So on a day that some people do find happiness, why does that bother you?
Rod, you shouldn't speak on behalf of the Muslim world because #1. you aren't a Muslim. Secondly, that practice you talk about of "BEATING THEMSELVES" is a practice that is not mentioned in the Qu'ran and was never done by the Prophet Muhammad (saws); it was actually a practice developed by a small percentage of Muslims to commemorate the assasination of the grandchildren of the Prophet Muhammad Hassan and Hussien (rahmatullah alaiy). Less than 10% of the Muslim world participates in that practice.Also, Iran may have a drug problem, but that does not mean that the rest of the Muslim world does. 60% of Africa is Muslim, and the Muslim countries in Africa do not have drug problems. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and they do not have a drug problem anywhere near the magnitude of the United States. etc., etc., etc.Now, in your post you are measuring success and happiness in terms of wealth. America has proven itself to be excellent at accumulating wealth (nevermind for now that the wealth is hoarded by the top 1%, who has more wealth than the bottom 99%, or nevermind the fact that America has spent the last 50 years sabatoging the Iranian economy). However, America's wealth has nothing to do with Christianity, Western culture only became wealthy after they seperated from the church as a result of the renaissance. Islam experienced a millenium of economic prosperity while the Europe was in the dark ages. Islam does not discourage bussiness and trade as long as it is done in fairness. Infact, take Friday prayer for example (Friday is the most religious day of the week for Muslims), Allah does not tell Muslims to take the whole day off to pray, but rather he says to enjoin the midday prayer in congregation and then gives permission to go out and seek the bouties of the Lord in trade and commerce.The whole fake it till you make it thing is not cool with me. I don't believe in being fake, I believe in keeping it real. I have different priorities then you. It's not worth it for me to be fake.
You act like Muslims are these superior non-sinning angels which they are not.....
What's the point of a fake Muslim? It's non-sense. How can you do drugs, drink, party all night, fuck bitches, beat people up, commit all kinds of sins and then call yourself a Muslim because you pray to Allah 5 times a day and fast for 30 days? If you aren't doing EXACTLY what Allah wants you to do, then you can't be a follower. So why label yourself a follower?
And really, you're what I call a TRY-HARD. Most of your posts contain hate towards Christians, sometimes hidden but obvious, but at the same time you try to promote Islam. Well let me be the 1st to tell you how that does not work and never will.
Quote from: ZILLA THE GOODFELLA on April 19, 2006, 05:04:35 PMAnd really, you're what I call a TRY-HARD. Most of your posts contain hate towards Christians, sometimes hidden but obvious, but at the same time you try to promote Islam. Well let me be the 1st to tell you how that does not work and never will. Rod, your good at explaining yourself, and that's cool; you can go ahead and explain it to yourself. But all of that means zero to me. Your nothing new under the son. I have no doubt that there are thousands of people out there like you who don't care about following the Qu'ran or submitting to God, and just want to fullfill their desires. I'm totally aware of that. How do you think I grew up? What do you think I used to do back in the day?But the bottom line is all the stuff your talking means absolutely zero to me. I've already lived with that mentality. What matters to me is that when I was 18 years old and I was lost and devoid of giudance, there was a Muslim, from a Muslim country, who did care about following the Qu'ran, and who did show me that there was a better way of life out there than the one I was living. I went to the masjid and found a whole community of people, everyone of them was more impressive than anyone I'd met previously in my life, I went to Hajj in Mekkah and found people from all over the striving to be better people and acting to please their Creator. So after you've seen and experienced that, why would I care about what your saying? Why would I be impressed with you? I know there are other people out there like you who come from Muslim countries and don't care about Islam. However, my focus is upon those who do, because they are a benefit to me and others.And as far as Tech goes, he's way different than you. He is a Muslim. He identifies himself as a Muslim, and he makes repetence to his Creator for his sins. You only follow your desires, there is nothing impressive about that, a bird can do that. A bird follows it's instincts, works to feed itself, has offspring, and teaches it's offspring how to feed itself. However, I believe that as men we do have to provide for ourselves and families, and every man is inclined towards sex; but we also have a higher purpose and that purpose is to worship our Creator. You may say that there are many Muslims who don't follow Islam, but there are also many millions that do, I see them everyday.
Rod, your good at explaining yourself, and that's cool; you can go ahead and explain it to yourself. But all of that means zero to me.
But the bottom line is all the stuff your talking means absolutely zero to me.
Also, Iran may have a drug problem, but that does not mean that the rest of the Muslim world does. 60% of Africa is Muslim, and the Muslim countries in Africa do not have drug problems. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world and they do not have a drug problem anywhere near the magnitude of the United States. etc., etc., etc.
I went to the masjid and found a whole community of people, everyone of them was more impressive than anyone I'd met previously in my life, I went to Hajj in Mekkah and found people from all over the striving to be better people and acting to please their Creator. So after you've seen and experienced that, why would I care about what your saying? Why would I be impressed with you?[/i]
how many times has Infinite been owned and proven wrong on this board?I'm kinda curious
All you see is extreme Muslims in your lil mosque and actually believe they represent majority of "Muslims". Well, here's the big secret....Most Muslims don't practice Islam. "Muslim" is just what they grew up as and usually they stay that way. When they say there are 1 billion Muslims in the world, they are measuring who is born into what.
If you aren't doing EXACTLY what Allah wants you to do, then you can't be a follower. So why label yourself a follower?
A person like me truely believes that I won't go to hell for drinking, smokin and having relations with females. I truely believe I will go to heaven because I have a good heart and have been to places where I could have turned into a psycho just like the people I was riding with, but it was my good heart that turned me around after making so many mistakes. Does that make sense?