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Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 10, 2010, 12:08:51 PM ---Oh, and Shawn Michaels; still not a draw.
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DX was never a draw? They never sold any merch or got kids to make their parents take them to live shows? Vince is just out of his mind and put HBK in the limelight for years just to sabotage his own business?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Sikotic on April 11, 2010, 01:41:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 10, 2010, 12:08:51 PM ---Oh, and Shawn Michaels; still not a draw.
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DX was never a draw? They never sold any merch or got kids to make their parents take them to live shows? Vince is just out of his mind and put HBK in the limelight for years just to sabotage his own business?
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DX was a draw the same way nWo was a draw, but I'd never call Scott Hall a draw, and he was always one of my favourites.
As for sabotaging his own business; Vince has been doing that ever since the WCW war started. How many times has he brought in established stars from the other guy and either buried them as losers or gave them a stupid gimmick and changed their name, and how many times did it work? Something like zero. All them didn't start really getting over until they got their real names back. And what would you call the Invasion angle? If that isn't the definition of sabotaging your own business then nothing is.
If Vince had it his way the WWF in 98 would have been centered around HBK and the Narcissist while the Ringmaster was midcarding for the IC title.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 11, 2010, 08:02:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic on April 11, 2010, 01:41:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 10, 2010, 12:08:51 PM ---Oh, and Shawn Michaels; still not a draw.
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DX was never a draw? They never sold any merch or got kids to make their parents take them to live shows? Vince is just out of his mind and put HBK in the limelight for years just to sabotage his own business?
--- End quote ---
DX was a draw the same way nWo was a draw, but I'd never call Scott Hall a draw, and he was always one of my favourites.
As for sabotaging his own business; Vince has been doing that ever since the WCW war started. How many times has he brought in established stars from the other guy and either buried them as losers or gave them a stupid gimmick and changed their name, and how many times did it work? Something like zero. All them didn't start really getting over until they got their real names back. And what would you call the Invasion angle? If that isn't the definition of sabotaging your own business then nothing is.
If Vince had it his way the WWF in 98 would have been centered around HBK and the Narcissist while the Ringmaster was midcarding for the IC title.
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Difference is, Shawn Michaels is WAY more important to DX. The way DX was founded and set up, Michaels was more like Hogan to the nWo than Hall.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on April 12, 2010, 05:24:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 11, 2010, 08:02:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic on April 11, 2010, 01:41:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 10, 2010, 12:08:51 PM ---Oh, and Shawn Michaels; still not a draw.
--- End quote ---
DX was never a draw? They never sold any merch or got kids to make their parents take them to live shows? Vince is just out of his mind and put HBK in the limelight for years just to sabotage his own business?
--- End quote ---
DX was a draw the same way nWo was a draw, but I'd never call Scott Hall a draw, and he was always one of my favourites.
As for sabotaging his own business; Vince has been doing that ever since the WCW war started. How many times has he brought in established stars from the other guy and either buried them as losers or gave them a stupid gimmick and changed their name, and how many times did it work? Something like zero. All them didn't start really getting over until they got their real names back. And what would you call the Invasion angle? If that isn't the definition of sabotaging your own business then nothing is.
If Vince had it his way the WWF in 98 would have been centered around HBK and the Narcissist while the Ringmaster was midcarding for the IC title.
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Difference is, Shawn Michaels is WAY more important to DX. The way DX was founded and set up, Michaels was more like Hogan to the nWo than Hall.
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Really? Because it looks to me like DX was doing just fine after HBK left and the obviously established draws Sean Waltman, Billy Gunn, and Jesse James joined. Face it man. This was an era where everyone was getting over and staying over, but the second Austin and Rock were done drawing it was over as far as getting over. Show me the money. DX was nice, but in the end it didn't matter. A no DX WWF with Austin chasing Bret to WM14, would have been just as good for business and would have even elevated Austin a bit higher because Bret was a slightly bigger star than HBK a the time.
And James and Gunn got over all on their own before joining DX. They were only put in the group because HHH didn't want another group out there more over than his group.
"THE" MoSav:
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 10, 2010, 12:08:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: "THE" MoSav on April 10, 2010, 08:52:21 AM ---Shallow youre a joker. Id never said the Bills would have 3 superbowls with Brady...Manning has 1 ring Brady has 3...Nuff said on that, give all the reasons you want, you cant change that fact. And just when i was starting to believe Manning was the greatest, he proved in the SB he wasnt even the best Qb in that game..But back to HBK, just admit people were eager to see that Match vs Taker and he was a draw if only for 1 night
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Manning outplayed Brees. The problem was Payton completely out coached Caldwell. Manning was two plays from a completely perfect game against a hard man to man blitz. Brees platyed against a soft cover 2 that couldn't tackle for the final 3 quarters. I could have won for the Saints QBing that game. No blitzes, no pressure, wide open short passes. The worst QB in the NFL could have started and Saints still win. The two mistakes Manning made were going long to Collie when Clark was short and thinking Austin Collie was good enough to make a play, and two thinking Reggie Wayne is Hines Ward and letting him drive to the inside against a jumping DB and having faith in his WR.
But here's the kicker; what would have those two plays have lead to if played better by Manning? A FG and a punt. So instead of 31-17 with 3 minutes and Indy ball, it would have been 24-20 with 3 minutes and Saints ball. And let's say Indy does get the ball back. What do we get then? Another dropped TD pass by Wayne in the endzone?
The 09 Colts are the 09 Bills, except they have Peyton Manning.
Oh, and Shawn Michaels; still not a draw.
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LOL!!! Stop suckin his dick man. Any person that watched the game even a little kid could tell that bress outplayed manning.. 32 of 37 2 tds 0 ints...Get peytons dick out of ur mouth shallow its disgusting
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