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ephesians 5:22-24Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.here you have the bible saying the exact same thing this guy is criticizing the qu'ran for saying. is he not also criticizing the bible then?
Paul said that and just like Moses I believe he adds things to appease the times and maybe himself. That's the difference. One is written by a man out of his will while the other is written by God, and that's why I critisize.
As for your long responses. I think it was made clear at the beginning of this thread that this was not a critique of Islam. It was a response to Infinite to show him that you can make any religion look evil, like Infinite goes out of his way to make Christianity look bad.
lol at this shit....islam is not a personality cult, islam never worshipped a human being, islam never gave 2 shits about material possessionsislam commands you to question islam! do you dumb fucks not understand this? the quran says dont blindly follow the faith of ur parents. seek the truth on ur own initiative!
Quote from: Dot City Cartel on May 02, 2006, 10:14:06 PMlol at this shit....islam is not a personality cult, islam never worshipped a human being, islam never gave 2 shits about material possessionsislam commands you to question islam! do you dumb fucks not understand this? the quran says dont blindly follow the faith of ur parents. seek the truth on ur own initiative!<scratches head laughs and thinks if the tables were to be turned....lol>::impersonating tech::^ look at this chump over here yo, he be gettin all butt hizurt over the some nigga attackin hiz religion like he's serious or something B, word is BORN yo. shit i'm straight off the streets i'm king tech betta recognize, i rep T town....what what!! GREAT WHITE NIZOOOOORTH.::impersonates robert stack::if you, or anyone you know has been over taken by the Ithinkimfromthehoodandblackidous viris please contact 1-800-i-need-to-get-back-in-touch-with my roots
Quote from: Shallow on May 03, 2006, 07:02:02 AMPaul said that and just like Moses I believe he adds things to appease the times and maybe himself. That's the difference. One is written by a man out of his will while the other is written by God, and that's why I critisize.so you disagree with paul? that's interesting. because it's largely the ideas about christ that paul introduces that causes the split between islam and christianity on many issues, particularly the nature of christ. ofcourse, you also disagree with the more judaic aspects to christianity as well which is what constitutes the common ground with christianity and islam.also, the qu'ran was delivered to muhammad by the angel gabriel, and represents instruction given to muhammad over a period of time.sura 2:97Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believegabriel also interprets a vision for daniel in the old testament. gabriel does these sorts of things. so i think it's more accurate to say "the qu'ran is the instructions gabriel gave the prophet muhammad" rather than god's direct word. QuoteAs for your long responses. I think it was made clear at the beginning of this thread that this was not a critique of Islam. It was a response to Infinite to show him that you can make any religion look evil, like Infinite goes out of his way to make Christianity look bad.i understood the original point of the post, i was challenging that in itself. i disagree with this notion that people should hide behind their "beliefs" and not defend them.without question, things like whether or not moses or muhammad actually spoke with god, or whether or not jesus was not conceived but god's spirit directly entered into mary...no debate that there is no proof for ideas like that.at the same time there is historical evidence and information about muhammad, early islam and how that spread, early christianity, the apostles and how that church grew. there are alot of facts that can be debated. and if people have a qu'ran or a bible, why shouldn't you be able to question whether or not they completely believe that doctrine, and whether or not they believe that religious institutions or movements are actually consistent with that doctrine?aside from the pure belief stuff (that starts with the nature of god and how various prophets have obtained their inspiration...) there are alot of facts that can be debated and clarified. i responded to the original post to demonstrate that if accusations are levied, people shouldn't try to hide from it, they should address it. if infinite has the wrong idea about aspects of christianity, if i have the wrong idea as well...then correct those misperceptions if you will.
As for the nature of Christ and Paul, the Gospels themselves make it very clear as to what the nature of Christ was that he was of God, and if I'm not mistaken many of the Gospels not accepted by the Church said the same thing.
So I'm not sure if the idea that Jesus was God came about because of Paul. But who knows for sure? (the answer is nobody).
Gabriel acts as the voice of God and as far as anyone is concerned it isn't Gabriel's words but God's words so in theory you are talking to God if you are talking to Gabriel.
Are you responding as a Muslim or as a seeker of truth or agnostic? Because as a Muslim I'd think you'd believe that Gabriel talking to the Prophet would be literal.
As for what Jesus was and how he was connected to God. I don't believe in it metaphorically. While I am open to anythign and don't discoint anything, I believe that it was the word of God that entered the body of the baby and that the body of Christ was a vessel for that word to be heard and that light to be seen.
As for half brother James. I used to think he was a half brother in that he was the a son of Mary and Joseph after Jesus was born, but it was told to me that he was the son of Joseph with a previous wife. It doesn't say if he is an older or younger brother as far as I know, so I am not sure if it is step or half brother.