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Quote from: PLANT IZ ACTIVE on May 08, 2006, 03:40:25 PMWho cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.That's why people are claiming it's ridiculous...He got 22 first place votes (the second most) and only 11 second place votes (the least). 23 voters didn't even put him on their ballot in the top 5! That's why people say the MVP award is a joke nowadays, Kobe put forth the most spectacular season since Jordan in '86-'87...MVP does not equal Steve Nash. Ask the players...PeACe
Who cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.
Quote from: Now_Im_Blowed on May 08, 2006, 03:52:36 PMQuote from: PLANT IZ ACTIVE on May 08, 2006, 03:40:25 PMWho cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.That's why people are claiming it's ridiculous...He got 22 first place votes (the second most) and only 11 second place votes (the least). 23 voters didn't even put him on their ballot in the top 5! That's why people say the MVP award is a joke nowadays, Kobe put forth the most spectacular season since Jordan in '86-'87...MVP does not equal Steve Nash. Ask the players...PeACe wahhhh wahhhh stop crying. You still havent responded to what i said so read above. Nash is the MVP because he made his team better & without him his team wouldnt be in the playoffs. Same could be said for Kobe but Kobe wasnt a team player most of the season & his team squeezed into the playoffs they didnt finish 2nd in teh west like Nash did to Phoenix
Nash playing with these Lakers instead of Kobe would easily be the worst team in the league...
QuoteNash playing with these Lakers instead of Kobe would easily be the worst team in the league... Like I said yesterday, imo KObe Bryant is this year MVP...But you must be joking man, if Steve Nash was a Lakers with the current team they got (without Kobe) they would had make the playoffs and probly in a better seed than 7.The Suns are as bad as the Lakers if you look at this year roster... Steve Nash Raja Bell Shawn Marion Tim Thomas/James Jones Boris Diaw This line-up is strickly garbage... They finished second in the West wihtout Amare (who is consider as one of the top 3 PF in the L).There a better team because of Nash no doubt about it, he makes everything happen on the floor. Marion is a real good player but he is comparable to Odom. Your always the first to say that Kwame is not garbage, so to you Kwame is a good PF/C... Except for Marion (who is undersize) I don't see no good PF/C in the actual Suns roster. Oh i forgot how good was Tim Thomas, James Jones and Raja Bell If Steve Nash was a Lakers, Odom would be an All-Star, Luke Walton would be a dangerous spot-up 3 points shooter and Kwame Brown would be this year MIP...If Kobe was a Suns, he would had scored an 81 points game, Shawn Marion would have had an up and down season and Tim Thomas wouldn't had got no shine (just like Jim Jackson did).Oh... And the Lakers would be playing in the second round tomorow nightStop living in your dreams... And give Steve Nash his due...Before him, the Suns suck hard... And since is there, they are contenders... Serious contenders
Steve Nash was an All-Star when he was in Dallas...He cannot score as much as Kobe, he cannot defend as good as Kobe... But the only things he could do better then Kobe is make other players better and take better desicions with the ball in his hands. You gotta point by saying Nash wouldn't be as effective as he is right now if he was running the triangle... But think about it, now after 2 MVP award and 2 very good seasons (wins/loss) who is the dumb coach who wouldn't allow Nash to run the floor and take early shots? Certainly not Phil Jackson. He's, with Jason Kidd and Chris Paul, the only player in the league right now who can actually turn a bad team (roster wise) into a good team. The Lakers are actually a so so team... He can fit right in imo.The Suns are 2-8 without Nash since he return to Phoenix... This isn't just the systeme, he's an awsome player that would make any team in the leaugue better than they are right now (except for the Spurs and Piston who already got the best team they can).On the opposite, Kobe would be lost in the run and gun systeme like the Suns cause he got a big tendancy to take bad shots... Imagine if he's allowed to!!!!!!!You should just sit back for a while and re-think your way of idolizing the Lakers and hating on all the rest of the League... Kobe is the most dominant player (individually) in the league (by far), but he couldn't do half of the things Nash do with a team like the Suns (without Amare of course), he would still put up very big numbers... But they will never ever finished 2nd in the West like they did this year...OPEN YOUR EYES AND STOP BEING SUCH A BITCH WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR SORRY ASS LAKERS!!!!!!!
It is an amature system which will ALWAYS fail in the playoffs. Phil is WAY above that...
Kobe and Marion would be an elite combo, and would definitely make noise in the west...
Sorry to remind you that this year Phil's wasn't way above that...
Did you just wrote Kobe and combo in the same sentence???The only duo Kobe can be a part of, is Shaq and Kobe cause back then Shaq was more dominant then Kobe... Now that Kobe is the more dominant player in the game there's no way he can be part of a combo...Now look : Shawn Marion first round statsPPG : 18.1RPG : 9.4APG : 1.7Lamar Odom first round statsPPG : 19.1RPG : 11.1APG : 4.9Kobe Bryant an explosive duo with Marion ?He ain't even an explosive dou with Odom who put up better stats than Marion during the Playoffs...
LMAO@there's no way Kobe can be part of a combo...You are just too much man.
D'Antonio was outcoached, he was just lucky he got to face such an inexperienced team.
First thing first : a combo isn't a combination of a team 2 leading scorers... At least a great combo isn't that.A great combo (imo), is 2 players playing well with each other and helping a team win games... Wich Kobe and Lamar didn't do (except for game 2, 3, 4).QuoteLMAO@there's no way Kobe can be part of a combo...You are just too much man. So my point is, if during an 82 games season, Kobe and Lamar play only 20-25 games well with each other they ain't a good combo... That's what bring me to my other point... Kobe an Marion would be the exact same type of "combo" that Odom and Kobe are. Once again :Season statsShawn Marion PPG : 21.8RPG : 11.8APG : 1.8Lamar Odom PPG : 14.8RPG : 9.2APG : 5.5Those players are nearly the same... Tall guard, with a lot of skills, great shooting (a lil bit better for Marion), great rebounding abilities and a good court vision (a lil bit better for Odom). The only reason Marion got more PPG, is the fact that he got a lot more touches and the fact that he ain't playing with a 34PPG player.So now why Nash/Marion are consider a better combo, cause Steve Nash make Marion better and vice-versa...And why Marion get MVP recgognition and not Odom cause Odom play with Kobe...Before Nash arrived in Pheonix Marion was not a better Player then Lamar...QuoteD'Antonio was outcoached, he was just lucky he got to face such an inexperienced team.Phil Jackson did a really great job... But D'Antoni made some adjustements and Phil keep his ass sit on the beach in the 3 last game...
Marion '02-'03:21.2 PPG (45% FG 39% 3FG 85% FT)9.5 RPG2.4 APG2.28 SPG1.17 BPG1.94 TOOdom '02-'03:14.6 PPG (44% FG, 32% 3FG, 77% FT)6.7 RPG3.6 APG.86 SPG.84 BPG2.86 TO
^^ off-topic, but necessary: Duncan & Ginobili = posterchildren of NBA authorities
QuoteMarion '02-'03:21.2 PPG (45% FG 39% 3FG 85% FT)9.5 RPG2.4 APG2.28 SPG1.17 BPG1.94 TOOdom '02-'03:14.6 PPG (44% FG, 32% 3FG, 77% FT)6.7 RPG3.6 APG.86 SPG.84 BPG2.86 TOBtw Nash arrived in Pheonix in 04-05...AgainMarion 03-0419.0 PPG9.3 RPG2.7 APG2.1 SPG1.3 BPG1.9 TOOdom 03-04 (Heat)17.1 PPG9.7 RPG4.1 APG1.6 SPG0.9 BPG2.9 TOPretty much the same what do you think Do yo follow basket ball at all???