why are people so obsessed with dr dre

[mauzip]

LOL @ all Dr. Dre groupies catching feelings

[SlickPants]

dre's the best to ever do it, that's why everyone is obsessed with him... he understands what makes a song/album more than just a collection of dope beats and lyrics.  he was behind no one can do it better... the NWA shit... chronic... doggystyle... 2001... em's first two albums... he's been behind the scenes of a ton of my favorite albums

[Sweet & Tender Hooligan]

Why this topic continues i dont know, Overseer CLEARLY shut it down......

[Trauma-san]

I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre.  Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all. 

You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time.  I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available.  If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.

Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat.  He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records.  This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc.  If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.

The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off.  Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else.  His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do.  Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.

Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever. 

He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument.  In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments.  I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing. 

This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them.  It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman. 

Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it.  If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre.  Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league.  Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing.  It's just not the same thing.

BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on. 

[eazye]

I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre.  Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all. 

You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time.  I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available.  If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.

Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat.  He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records.  This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc.  If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.

The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off.  Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else.  His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do.  Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.

Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever. 

He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument.  In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments.  I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing. 

This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them.  It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman. 

Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it.  If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre.  Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league.  Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing.  It's just not the same thing.

BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on. 

It was about time someone said something sensible in this thread.

[tempo2]

^^ dope read and a dope post. couldnt of said it better myself. the reason dre now puts a co-producer in his credits is probabley because he was sickof the likes of daz claiming they produced the whole record and not helping. dre is pure dope hate all you want but jordan was hated, when your at the top theres always going to be hate and people trying to bring you down. no producer regardless of genre has stayed at the top of the game and sold as many records in the rap biz as the D.R.E. i for one couldnt give a fuck about what people say, i enjoy the cats music and dre will always have my ear for his music.

[Reventón Bogotá Rolla]

cats just startin to hate cuz Dre hasn't dropped Detox yet , shame

[Don Seer]

more like because of the game being off aftermath / dre "siding" with 50 situation...

[Turf Hitta]

I don't think most of you understand what goes on in the studio with Dre.  Saying 'co-producer' and he doesn't make the beats, the musicians do, is NOT a valid argument at all. 

You know I'm a big Brian Wilson fan, Brian Wilson is one of the greatest rock producers of all time.  I've listened to hours of his studio tapes producing, because they're available.  If Dr. Dre's studio tapes were available (which they never will be, who knows if he even keeps tape rolling, it's all digital), you'd have a much different opinion of him and would probably consider him a genius, not just a good song maker.

Dre doesn't come up with every single nuance of every beat... but he DOES O.K. and direct every single nuance of every single beat.  He works as a true producer does, just like Brian Wilson did back in the 60's, just like someone like Phil Spector or Quincy Jones might.. he's old school and grew up from when he was a KID spinning records.  This guy knows music in and out, he knows how things should sound, he knows what to add to this, what to not use, etc.  If you'd ever listened to studio tapes of any famous producer, you'd know that their job is extraordinary.

The drummer might play some fills, and Dre will tell him, no, more snare, less cymbal, Dre tells the engineer, move the mic a little closer to the hi-hat and the overhead mike, turn that off.  Dre finally gets the drummer playing something that sounds right, and then moves on to something else.  His work on a drum track alone might be more involved than anything any other beat-maker in hiphop will do.  Dre's drums always sound head and shoulders above others.

Any keyboard player can come up with a little riff, something nice sounding... but Dre is the one who says "no, that doesn't fit there, play more of a chord instead of a single melody" or whatever. 

He does this all the way through the song, with every single instrument.  In the 60's, Brian used to jump in and play a drum line if the drummer hadn't showed up yet, or played a piano roll because he had it in his head and it was easier to just play it than explain what it should sound like... or maybe he'd lay down a bass line or play a little guitar part, even though he wasn't formerly trained in any of those instruments.  I've heard of Dre doing the same damn thing. 

This stuff isn't science, some of these big cats like this have something special running through their blood, there's only been a handfull of them and Dre's one of them.  It's rare that someone can be THAT type of producer and also be so commercially successful, most of your 'genius' musicians never receive mainstream recognition because their music is so avante guarde... Dre's sold a fortune of records, he'd be even richer if he was a better businessman. 

Saying he doesn't do much is so fucking rediculous I'm surprised I even ran my mouth this long disputing it.  If you knew anything about recording true, created in a room music, you wouldn't ever say something like that about Dre.  Guys like Battlecat and Soopafly and Daz aren't even in Dre's area code much less in his league.  Even Warren G who I love is so far removed from Dre's talent level that it's mindblowing.  It's just not the same thing.

BY THE WAY, Quincy Jones like O said released entire albums under his name with his picture on the cover that he didn't play a note, and didn't say a word on. 

Exactly. I dont know where the whole "producers are beat makers" idea started.

[OP]

Dr. Dre is God and you must all worship him.

[jeromechickenbone]

Ted's post pretty much sums it up.  I laugh everytime I hear people say shit like "Dre doesn't REALLY produce, he jacks peoples beats, blah blah blah".  Where are all the other producers that said Dre jacked their beats?  Have their careers been sizzling since they parted with Dre? Fuck no.  ANYBODY can be taught to play an instrument.  But having an incredible ear for music is what makes Dre elite.  You think if he wasn't the genius behind his music catalog his career would span 3 fucking decades?  People need to think before they speak.