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going through this thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=114140.0), it's humerous at how some people are trying to defend the Cali iz Active album. Saying that "Cali Iz Active" did ok with 30,000 sales is like saying George W Bush has been an ok President. Tha Dogg Pound had articles on MTV.com and in The Source, a mixtape to promote the album, commercials on tv, not to mention the video, and they still couldn't sell shit. Point blank, them opening up at 30,000 is terrible. That number is pathetic and I'm wondering how this is not considered a flop on this board yet Mobb Deep's new album selling 100,000 albums is?By the way, the excuses that Tha Dogg Pound released the album independently and that they released it through Koch Records are NOT VALID EXCUSES. Jim Jones, B.G., DJ Khaled, and D-Block are all on Koch and have sold more, plus Cube sold 140,000 copies of his album independently with virtually no spins (on the east coast) and no video play, plus has not released an album in 6 years.
The album is sub par and the single was average. It is true that there are a lot of worse albums that sell more and I think that should be attributed to the fact this release was on a label that fashions themselves as the community college of record labels. I also think that the DPG has just reached its plateau as far as fans go. I don’t think they as a camp are attracting anyone who didn’t like them 10 years ago and therefore they have a LOT less room to experiment creatively and deviate from their original formula. The other problem is they consider themselves legends (which they are) and feel because of that status they can phone in their verses, have short arms and deep pockets when it comes to production and bang out 100 mediocre tracks in a week instead of working on 30 amazing tracks over a year. In the current hip hop climate with G-Unit in the east and the South running things that type of mindset just doesn’t cut it. A strong selling west coast album needs to be groundbreaking just to compete with the average shit coming from the east and south.
Good Points. I'll attribute the "flop" to half assed music. How many people on this forum would say "Daz, Kurupt, and Snoop have all steadily improved musically and creatively expanded in the last several years"? or "Compare their work from the first 7 years in the game to the last 7 years in the game. Their shit in the last 7 years DESTROY's the first 7!" LOL, NOBODY. To me, anybody that would say that is in complete and utter denial. For instance, I'd say the single was average at best. And you know what? That's actually BETTER than I thought it would be. These guys have lowered expectations so much, that now if I don't think it's COMPLETELY wack, that they've actually impressed me. How twisted is that shit? If this type of single were released on their initial albums, it would have been the wackest shit on the album. But DPG 2006, this ain't too bad. They've half assed it for so long, talked out their ass so much, and it's really catching up to them. It's like each album from these guys either together or solo has shown a decline in effort and quality. In the 90's through 2000/2001 I'd cop their shit sight unseen (unheard) because I still had faith that they were gonna bring the heat. However, 6 years later I've eaten enough of their bullshit that they have to prove themselves to me again. LOL, and I was a HUGE fan. Imagine what some BG thinks of this half assed shit. Of course he's not gonna buy it.Their flop is not due to their age nor is it due to illegal downloading. If it's their age, why is Dre still the most sought after producer in the game? If it's cuz of downloading, why are artists still going 5x platinum? Take a look at artists like Three 6 Mafia and Twista...those cats have been in the game for years and never really saw mainstream success up until recently. You know why? Cuz "Stay Fly" and "Slow Jamz" were dope fuckin songs. If those songs are wack, those artists would not have seen that type of success in this stage of their respective careers. Bottom line, they're catching bricks cuz the music is half assed - fuck that QUARTER ASSED.
Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on July 06, 2006, 05:47:24 PMGood Points. I'll attribute the "flop" to half assed music. How many people on this forum would say "Daz, Kurupt, and Snoop have all steadily improved musically and creatively expanded in the last several years"? or "Compare their work from the first 7 years in the game to the last 7 years in the game. Their shit in the last 7 years DESTROY's the first 7!" LOL, NOBODY. To me, anybody that would say that is in complete and utter denial. For instance, I'd say the single was average at best. And you know what? That's actually BETTER than I thought it would be. These guys have lowered expectations so much, that now if I don't think it's COMPLETELY wack, that they've actually impressed me. How twisted is that shit? If this type of single were released on their initial albums, it would have been the wackest shit on the album. But DPG 2006, this ain't too bad. They've half assed it for so long, talked out their ass so much, and it's really catching up to them. It's like each album from these guys either together or solo has shown a decline in effort and quality. In the 90's through 2000/2001 I'd cop their shit sight unseen (unheard) because I still had faith that they were gonna bring the heat. However, 6 years later I've eaten enough of their bullshit that they have to prove themselves to me again. LOL, and I was a HUGE fan. Imagine what some BG thinks of this half assed shit. Of course he's not gonna buy it.Their flop is not due to their age nor is it due to illegal downloading. If it's their age, why is Dre still the most sought after producer in the game? If it's cuz of downloading, why are artists still going 5x platinum? Take a look at artists like Three 6 Mafia and Twista...those cats have been in the game for years and never really saw mainstream success up until recently. You know why? Cuz "Stay Fly" and "Slow Jamz" were dope fuckin songs. If those songs are wack, those artists would not have seen that type of success in this stage of their respective careers. Bottom line, they're catching bricks cuz the music is half assed - fuck that QUARTER ASSED.You can sit here and tell me that Rappers INCLUDING Daz and Kurupt dont sell less because of CD BURNERS all you want. But thats The stupidest thing i ever heard. I know that Cali Iz Active wouldnt have sold a million copies if not for Cd burners, but they would have sold closer to at least 50 K. Think about if you couldnt preview tracks on the net, and therfore burn Cd's> people would go in buying cd's with no prior knowledge..And would buy the Album becuz they are tha DOGG POUND. But why buy the Cd when you can burn it. Anybody that says Burners dont affect sales, get in reality.
BTW, Ice Cubes videos have been played much more than Cali Iz Active, and Cube had sick promotion for LNCL.....Ice Cube is HUGE right now...But then again, he DID release a bangin album.
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