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Why does Palestine not have the right to exist?

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Shallow:

--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on July 30, 2006, 04:51:56 PM ---
And by the way, the owners of the land had been the Islamic Ottoman Empire for 400 years prior to World War 1 when they were defeated by the British.  From World War 1 to World War 2 Britian was the "official" rulers and administrators of the region.  Ofcourse, the British white man gave the land to the Jews and kicked the dark-skinned Arabs off the land, like Malcolm X said.

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Kind of like the peaceful loving Ottoman Empire kicked all of the Greeks out and sent them to the part of Greece that was taken back after the revolution in hopes of overcrowding the country. The Greek forced off "Turkish" land had a lineage that dated back thousands of years and they were just given the boot. Of course you'll find some way to deny it because your devil worshipping ways won't allow you to go against anyone that's on your side. (No man of God would be so ignorant. Men of God see what is wrong with other men of God gone astray and correct them. Men of Satan see what is wrong with men their own people and cover up and defend them).

I don't blame the Turks or Muslims for what happened to my direct ancestors. Not the ones today and not the ones then. Shit happens. That's life. It's not like every Greek at the time was a perfect being. They just happened to be on the short end of the stick during those 400 years and another time in history they were the oppressor. I am a strong believer in the Creator and don't worry so much about what man does to man. If I am put in a position to stop evil I will try, but if it's out of my hands then I'll let God handle it. He's better at it then I am. I belive God looks after those that suffer and forgives those that are tricked into causing suffering. If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that. Why don't you try a little walk with your talk for a change?

AndrE16686:

--- Quote from: Shallow on July 31, 2006, 08:30:50 PM --- If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that.

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So basically you mean leave the Middle East to it's fate and pray God somehow prevents the tonnes of explosives from falling on people?

Somehow I don't think God really intervenes like that Superman style it just dosn't happen and it's stupid to expect God to. How about as people we try to solve our problems ourselves and stop calling on the Creator of the Universe. I believe Jesus was a person and as a person he is a testament to what people can do to make the world a better place.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: YGZ on July 31, 2006, 10:36:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on July 31, 2006, 08:30:50 PM --- If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that.

--- End quote ---


So basically you mean leave the Middle East to it's fate and pray God somehow prevents the tonnes of explosives from falling on people?

Somehow I don't think God really intervenes like that Superman style it just dosn't happen and it's stupid to expect God to. How about as people we try to solve our problems ourselves and stop calling on the Creator of the Universe. I believe Jesus was a person and as a person he is a testament to what people can do to make the world a better place.

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I mean when you die you are saved, go to heave, reach the promised land, enter the pearly gates, etc. I was speaking to Infinite and Infinite alone on the grounds that he is supposedly someone who believes that good people go to Allah when they die. If I were speaking to an athiest I obviously wouldn't bother with that argument. But from an athiests perspective, what did Jesus actually do to change anything? He taught what? morality? That was nothing new. It was only in his spiritual signficance that changes started happening, and that was after the man died.

coola:
wasn't the ottoman empire defeated fair and square ? why did they unite with the germans and try take over ?

coola:

--- Quote ---No man of God would be so ignorant. Men of God see what is wrong with other men of God gone astray and correct them. Men of Satan see what is wrong with men their own people and cover up and defend them
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thats some real shit right there..

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