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Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on August 01, 2006, 01:54:32 PMThat's why they rejected the Partition Plan (That granted them a country on the majority of the territory) while the Zionists accepted it?LOL @ this guy.30% of the population (Jews) given 55% of the land, while owning less than 10% of it at the time... LOL... it's not rocket-science. Put it this way, even within the land that the Jews were to be given, the Arabs would've been the majority there.Ben Gurion gave them another reason to reject it:“A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. The establishment of such a Jewish state will serve as a means in our historical efforts to redeem the country in its entirety. …We shall organize a modern defense force ..and then I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in other parts of the country, either by mutual agreement with our Arab neighbors or by some other means… We will expel the Arabs and take their places .... with the force at our disposal.” ...then a year later..."I favor partition of the country because when we become a strong power after the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and spread throughout all of Palestine."...acted out in 1967.
That's why they rejected the Partition Plan (That granted them a country on the majority of the territory) while the Zionists accepted it?
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
3.Islamic conquest of this region and other regions seems to be a just conquest in your view?
3. I agree premodern and early modern empires differ from the modern era of nation-states. The question is whether you view the Ottoman empire as more legitimate than other conquests of this and other regions?
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on August 02, 2006, 10:33:27 AM3.Islamic conquest of this region and other regions seems to be a just conquest in your view?Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on August 03, 2006, 01:36:53 AM3. I agree premodern and early modern empires differ from the modern era of nation-states. The question is whether you view the Ottoman empire as more legitimate than other conquests of this and other regions?Muslims are supposed to be unified under a Kalifah (supreme Islamic political ruler), so therefore the Palestinians willingly pledged allegiance to the Kalifah for a period of 400 years, and before that they were united under the previous Kalifah that existed before the Ottomans. Muslims had never sought to be independant, nationalist, racist states prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire Kalifah in WW1. The Kalifah was himself a Turk, but Muslims of all nationalities, Caucasion, African, Indian, Asian, and even Christians and Jews existed in relative harmony under the Kalifah. It was Britian's colonial period that played the primary role in infecting nationalism, racism, and independance within the Muslim regions.
Quote from: YGZ on July 31, 2006, 10:36:28 PMQuote from: Shallow on July 31, 2006, 08:30:50 PM If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that. So basically you mean leave the Middle East to it's fate and pray God somehow prevents the tonnes of explosives from falling on people?Somehow I don't think God really intervenes like that Superman style it just dosn't happen and it's stupid to expect God to. How about as people we try to solve our problems ourselves and stop calling on the Creator of the Universe. I believe Jesus was a person and as a person he is a testament to what people can do to make the world a better place. what did Jesus actually do to change anything? He taught what? morality? That was nothing new. It was only in his spiritual signficance that changes started happening, and that was after the man died.
Quote from: Shallow on July 31, 2006, 08:30:50 PM If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that. So basically you mean leave the Middle East to it's fate and pray God somehow prevents the tonnes of explosives from falling on people?Somehow I don't think God really intervenes like that Superman style it just dosn't happen and it's stupid to expect God to. How about as people we try to solve our problems ourselves and stop calling on the Creator of the Universe. I believe Jesus was a person and as a person he is a testament to what people can do to make the world a better place.
If you really had as much faith in Allah as you claim you wouldn't care what happened to Arabs in Palestine. If they truly are Muslims like you say then they will be taken care of by God, and nothing Israel or Britain, or your friend Satan, can do anything to stop that.
Palestine originally included Jordan. Now how much of Palestine did the Arabs get and how much did the Zionists get?- Who had the majority of the territory?