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95% Of The Time School Is Unnecessary
Machiavelli:
yeah but if you want to be successful you need passion and courosity more then IQ....
CQ+PQ>IQ
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 30, 2006, 06:54:01 AM ---
You're not seeing my point. I'm talking about a massive amount of students. There are tens of thousands of kids that need to learn something like Integral Calculus and there aren't tens of thousands credible tutors, much less ones with out degrees. You are thinking in individually. YOU could learn Calculus by hiring a tutor. YOU could learn to be a better doctor by 4 years of living with, working with, and studying a doctor rather than 8 years of pre-med and med school. Society could not function like that. Order needs to be set up for the best possible results. I could learn more about Islam by independant study than a large percentage of Muslims but I understand that with out the organizations of the mosques that Islam simply would not reach and maintain the numbers it has reached and maintained over the years. If there never were mosques and Islam relied solely on the individuals desire to pursue knowledge of Islam it would be a religion that consists of only a fraction of the people it has now. The same goes for the Church or the Synagogue.
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Yet again, I'd have to ask you to re-read my previous posts. Look at the thread title, it says "95% of the time School Is Unnecessary". Yet, you are arguing over the usefullness of religious institutions such as the mosque, which are two totally different subjects.
I'm talking about futility of schools, and you took the giant leap of suggesting I was talking about the futility of the mosque? TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. But since you brought up mosques, let me speak on it for a second so you don't get the wrong idea, I am 100% for the institution of the mosque.
As for the mosque and "organized religion"..........
It's like Imam Jamil Al Amin says, we have to understand that ignorance is organized. It is an organized force that impacts on the community as a whole. To dispel ignorance, then Allah calls on you to be an organized force. But, to be an organized force, Allah sets down certain rules as to how the organized force must work. The whole concept of leadership, respect and a sense of order, the whole nature of things, Allah taught to the Prophets, these are the things that work.
When believers come together for the making of the prayer, Allah begins to accentuate posotive things, likes and similiarities; and He begins to point out the unimportance of the negative things that keep them away from each other, the little attitudes, and the differences. Indeed, Allah swears, "by those who arrange themselves in ranks and who are therefore strong in repelling evil." By arranging ourselves in ranks Allah begins to synchronize the hearts of the believers.
Evil is organized, you have billion dollar companies and marketing schemes aimed at you to spend your money on their products and live the lifestyle they desire you to live. So likewise, mankind has to be organized in repelling that evil, and Allah gives us a program that reminds us througout the day what our true purpose in life is.
So important is community, and "organized religion" that when the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) migrated from Mekkah to Medina, the first thing he established was a mosque, to facilitate the congregational prayers (performed side by side 5 times daily in the mosque), so that social fiber would begin to take hold, and the hearts would be united in functioning on a socially conscious manner so that remembrance of Allah became the most important activity in their life.
Moreover, Allah gave worship to the Prophet as a tool whereby he could distinguish, even in the midst of his ranks, those who feared Allah , who had the awareness of Allah, from those who were thoughtless of their Lord. Prayer became a means by which he measured men.
J Bananas:
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Mr. O:
--- Quote from: DipsetGeneral on August 29, 2006, 01:23:15 AM ---especially MATH!! FUCKIN A MAN! Ive avoided it in college as long as I can but I finally couldnt dodge it nemore. Today was the first day of the semester :-\ Math is so pointless though, I am never gonna use this stupid shit ever, fuck math
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man...math is important like english. If u pay the store 5 bucks for food, you'll give him 20 bucks because it's only money?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on August 30, 2006, 11:12:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on August 30, 2006, 06:54:01 AM ---
You're not seeing my point. I'm talking about a massive amount of students. There are tens of thousands of kids that need to learn something like Integral Calculus and there aren't tens of thousands credible tutors, much less ones with out degrees. You are thinking in individually. YOU could learn Calculus by hiring a tutor. YOU could learn to be a better doctor by 4 years of living with, working with, and studying a doctor rather than 8 years of pre-med and med school. Society could not function like that. Order needs to be set up for the best possible results. I could learn more about Islam by independant study than a large percentage of Muslims but I understand that with out the organizations of the mosques that Islam simply would not reach and maintain the numbers it has reached and maintained over the years. If there never were mosques and Islam relied solely on the individuals desire to pursue knowledge of Islam it would be a religion that consists of only a fraction of the people it has now. The same goes for the Church or the Synagogue.
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Yet again, I'd have to ask you to re-read my previous posts. Look at the thread title, it says "95% of the time School Is Unnecessary". Yet, you are arguing over the usefullness of religious institutions such as the mosque, which are two totally different subjects.
I'm talking about futility of schools, and you took the giant leap of suggesting I was talking about the futility of the mosque? TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. But since you brought up mosques, let me speak on it for a second so you don't get the wrong idea, I am 100% for the institution of the mosque.
As for the mosque and "organized religion"..........
It's like Imam Jamil Al Amin says, we have to understand that ignorance is organized. It is an organized force that impacts on the community as a whole. To dispel ignorance, then Allah calls on you to be an organized force. But, to be an organized force, Allah sets down certain rules as to how the organized force must work. The whole concept of leadership, respect and a sense of order, the whole nature of things, Allah taught to the Prophets, these are the things that work.
When believers come together for the making of the prayer, Allah begins to accentuate posotive things, likes and similiarities; and He begins to point out the unimportance of the negative things that keep them away from each other, the little attitudes, and the differences. Indeed, Allah swears, "by those who arrange themselves in ranks and who are therefore strong in repelling evil." By arranging ourselves in ranks Allah begins to synchronize the hearts of the believers.
Evil is organized, you have billion dollar companies and marketing schemes aimed at you to spend your money on their products and live the lifestyle they desire you to live. So likewise, mankind has to be organized in repelling that evil, and Allah gives us a program that reminds us througout the day what our true purpose in life is.
So important is community, and "organized religion" that when the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) migrated from Mekkah to Medina, the first thing he established was a mosque, to facilitate the congregational prayers (performed side by side 5 times daily in the mosque), so that social fiber would begin to take hold, and the hearts would be united in functioning on a socially conscious manner so that remembrance of Allah became the most important activity in their life.
Moreover, Allah gave worship to the Prophet as a tool whereby he could distinguish, even in the midst of his ranks, those who feared Allah , who had the awareness of Allah, from those who were thoughtless of their Lord. Prayer became a means by which he measured men.
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Thanks for the sermon but your missing the point.
Where did I assume you were talking about the futility of the Mosque? I said the school systenm was effective and not futile, and I used the effectiveness of the organized Mosque to show what such organization does. With out this Islam would not be near as large. With out organized schooling societies that have it wouldn't be nearly as educated as they are. Post secondary may not be all that useful when it comes to learning and attaining knowledge in many subjects but everything up until grade 12 is very useful. The average College grad goes through 4 years of school at that level and that's 4 out of 16 years total. Not 95% at all. It's more like 25%, and let's say that 75% of post secondary is unnecessary that leaves us at about 30% of unnecessary education. I will not agree with your 95% and it was that number that I argued with to begin with. Trash organized education all you want but it is the only reason many countries are so much more educated than others. I only used the mosque example to help you see what I was trying to say.
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