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The Christians are full of hate.
Mr. O:
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--- Quote from: Ant on September 16, 2006, 11:22:14 PM ---So does the Christian god hate gays or does he like them?
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neither, he loves them .
love the sinner hate the sin. tis what christians are taught. do all of them learn that, apparently not but many do
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Where does it say this in the bible? This is an invented idea it seems. God punished sinners many times in the Bible. Do your research.
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What want to talk Christianity then talk the Gospel. If you want to talk Jewish mythology or St. Paul's personal writings then that's up to you, but as a Christian the only words I take as true are the ones quoted from Jesus himself, and I base that on a little logic and the fact I have found nothing he said as being morally wrong. Jesus corrected the words of Moses time and again, and Paul clearly added his own ideas. You think you're a liberal. Compared to Jesus you are David fucking Duke.
That being said I don't know nor care what God thinks of gays. I do know what Jesus said we should think of all people, and that is to love them as ourseleves. Jesus said it is not up to us to understand God or heaven but to understand eachother, something he even said we were far from doing. Until we master that it's pointless to try and understand God.
For the record as far as I remember "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" isn't written anywhere. Jesus makes no mention of homosexuality ever in the Bible. Recent theories have suggested that the slave of the Centurian that was healed by Jesus may have been the Centurian's lover. What Jesus does speak against is fornication and many use that to condemn gays. A couple things are wrong with that logic besides the fact that we asren't supposed to condemn anyone. 1) Fornication has changed in definition throughout the years and could mean any number of things (it could mean any sex outside of marriage or it could mean gratuitous sex of any nature, even with in marriage, and 2) if you read the actual passage you'll find it is far more complicated than Evangelists make it sound. From Mark 7;
20And he said, That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
These passages seem to be more philosophical than lawful. Jesus is describing what causes people to become tainted or do evil things. These are all apart of human nature and we cannot control them. Even to be proud of something or someone can lead to evil according to Jesus. Theoretically we shouldn't do any of what is mentioned above but we will fall victim to some and all we can do is repent, meaning apologize to those we have wronged and feel sorry about what we did or thought, and then move on.
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read your bible..before you jump to conclusion. u know what trinity is?
Mr. O:
--- Quote from: Ant on September 16, 2006, 11:22:14 PM ---So does the Christian god hate gays or does he like them?
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turn your bible to roman chapter 1 verse 20..it's around there..ya'll find..but yes..
Javier:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on September 17, 2006, 03:33:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on September 17, 2006, 01:38:11 PM ---
Why do so many Christians hate gays, muslims, jews, aethists, and non-christians if they aren't full of hate?
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do you see any Christains cutting peoples heads off, straping themselves with bombs and blowing shit up, and just being over senstive about their religon that they hate on people who are against it or say negative thinks about it?
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Back in the day
Ant:
--- Quote from: Machiavelli on September 17, 2006, 03:33:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on September 17, 2006, 01:38:11 PM ---
Why do so many Christians hate gays, muslims, jews, aethists, and non-christians if they aren't full of hate?
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do you see any Christains cutting peoples heads off, straping themselves with bombs and blowing shit up, and just being over senstive about their religon that they hate on people who are against it or say negative thinks about it?
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Yes. I know more than a few Christians that joined the US military with a strong desire to do these types of things to people of other religions.
Even the Christians on this forum, like Cwalker and Trauma advocate the killing and toture of other people.
Sikotic™:
Christians advocating torture. What a contradiction.
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