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The Christians are full of hate.
virtuoso:
I don't understand the point of this topic at all, why are christians full of hate, well christianity has been hijacked by a bunch of criminals intent on using it to steer their bizarre views and make obscene amounts of money. Think someone like Pat Roberts, there is nothing righteous about him at all, i remember greg palast saying that he conducted an interview with this man and during it he was quite open in saying this is strictly business.
However this is the problem there is more than one group of christians but this is not being portrayed in the media, instead its this attempt to drag christianity through the mud. The white house is full of a bunch of fake politicians as is chrisianity full of fake politicians. A couple of things I am confused about the end timers/evangalists. i.e. real americans kind. are the ones that defend israel to the hilt in their belief that it will allow the revelation to transpire, they certainly dont hate jews, they finance support and protect the jews. As for disliking gays. well thats their right. I find it odd you should pick on christianity in making this point though when basically all religions disapprove of homosexuality some more fervently than others.
As for using this point about christian soldiers raring to go and blow up maim and kill arabs, again this is all thanks to the evangaleical movement, who believe that by instigating these insane wars they are doing gods work, bringing the rapture (swept up to heaven) one step closer. I am not denying these people are completely psychotic but evangelicals have hijacked christianity and have spread their evil mindset to millions of gullinle and dumb people. Clearly these are not real christians, real christians are good people.
However come on now, using trauma and real american as examples is a bit of a cheap shot, 2 very easy targets your talking about a simple minded idiot and in the case of trauma a person who suffers from delusion and is that insecure he keeps on trying to remind us he is very intelligent. America lost its moral compass somewhere and these 2 fools are the result. Advocating torture and killing is just well i dont like to use the word evil but what else can you call it?
Don Jacob:
--- Quote from: Ant on September 17, 2006, 07:44:48 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Ant on September 16, 2006, 11:22:14 PM ---So does the Christian god hate gays or does he like them?
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neither, he loves them .
love the sinner hate the sin. tis what christians are taught. do all of them learn that, apparently not but many do
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Where does it say this in the bible? This is an invented idea it seems. God punished sinners many times in the Bible. Do your research.
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your mom probably punished you right, and she still loved you? no? do your research
AndrE16686:
--- Quote from: Real American on September 17, 2006, 09:31:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on September 17, 2006, 09:21:19 AM ---Yes, Jesus said that, but the christian god contradicted that philosophy many times.
If your statement captures the essence of the Christian philosophy towards life than why do so many Christians behave so differently? Take yourself for example. Are you sinless, because you obviously enjoy casting stones?
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Because humans are judgemental by nature. So why you should always strive to be like Jesus, that doesn't always happen.
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then if we don't even try to be like Jesus and look at his compassion as an example to strive for, what is the point of calling yourself a Christian? Jesus and the way he lived his life is at the centre of Chirstianity, yet time and time again organised religion, ignorant of Christ's teachings of compassion, take it upon themselves to act as institutions of nationalism and politics. :rant:
Crown:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2006, 01:25:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on September 17, 2006, 07:44:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on September 17, 2006, 01:21:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on September 16, 2006, 11:22:14 PM ---So does the Christian god hate gays or does he like them?
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neither, he loves them .
love the sinner hate the sin. tis what christians are taught. do all of them learn that, apparently not but many do
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Where does it say this in the bible? This is an invented idea it seems. God punished sinners many times in the Bible. Do your research.
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What want to talk Christianity then talk the Gospel. If you want to talk Jewish mythology or St. Paul's personal writings then that's up to you, but as a Christian the only words I take as true are the ones quoted from Jesus himself, and I base that on a little logic and the fact I have found nothing he said as being morally wrong. Jesus corrected the words of Moses time and again, and Paul clearly added his own ideas. You think you're a liberal. Compared to Jesus you are David fucking Duke.
That being said I don't know nor care what God thinks of gays. I do know what Jesus said we should think of all people, and that is to love them as ourseleves. Jesus said it is not up to us to understand God or heaven but to understand eachother, something he even said we were far from doing. Until we master that it's pointless to try and understand God.
For the record as far as I remember "Hate the sin, but love the sinner" isn't written anywhere. Jesus makes no mention of homosexuality ever in the Bible. Recent theories have suggested that the slave of the Centurian that was healed by Jesus may have been the Centurian's lover. What Jesus does speak against is fornication and many use that to condemn gays. A couple things are wrong with that logic besides the fact that we asren't supposed to condemn anyone. 1) Fornication has changed in definition throughout the years and could mean any number of things (it could mean any sex outside of marriage or it could mean gratuitous sex of any nature, even with in marriage, and 2) if you read the actual passage you'll find it is far more complicated than Evangelists make it sound. From Mark 7;
20And he said, That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
These passages seem to be more philosophical than lawful. Jesus is describing what causes people to become tainted or do evil things. These are all apart of human nature and we cannot control them. Even to be proud of something or someone can lead to evil according to Jesus. Theoretically we shouldn't do any of what is mentioned above but we will fall victim to some and all we can do is repent, meaning apologize to those we have wronged and feel sorry about what we did or thought, and then move on.
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Shallow! I am impressed!!!!Sounds like THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF YESHUA!!!!!!
AndrE16686:
--- Quote from: Shallow on September 17, 2006, 01:25:03 PM ---as a Christian the only words I take as true are the ones quoted from Jesus himself
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