Do not bootleg/download the new Xzibit, come in here let me convince you

[djkoast]

#3 - He is a westcoast artist and you guys want to see the westcoast do well right?  Help the westcoast do well, AGAIN, on the independent tip. 

Not a good enough reason for me.  The West Coast isn't doing well cause a lot of its artists right now are washed-up, has-beens, and their music is lackluster.  If it's good music, I'll buy it.  If not, then these cats might want to try doing new shit other than convincing people they still C-Walkin at Age 40.

And what about the other reasons?  Are those good or bad reasons?

The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right?  You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job.  You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping.  Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?

Crafty: Concentrate may not be your or my cup of tea but that are alot of people who do like songs like that.  I think he has a pretty broad range of topics and approaches to tracks on here from mainstream/dance club track 'concentrate' to more concept type songs like Brown/Black and Thank You.

The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play.  If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed.  It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.

[CRAFTY]

^^^^True. I'm glad to see that there are still quite a lot of people (on this forum) who really care about the future of West Coast rap and who think of ways to better that future. Props

[$Eg2$]

2 be real with you i probably wont buy it or download it and I think more then half of the catz that said they will buy it will be the first to download it when it leaks. Just real talk not a diss.

[djkoast]

2 be real with you i probably wont buy it or download it and I think more then half of the catz that said they will buy it will be the first to download it when it leaks. Just real talk not a diss.

No disrespect takin at all.  If you don't fuck with Xzibits music  then you dont fuck with his music.  I can respect that.  There are people who I feel the same way about just because I can't vibe with their music.  Like Justin Timberlake, people are saying its a good album  but I don't fuck with him.  I haven't downloaded the album and I won't buy it either.   Props for doing you.

I am hoping that the people who said they will buy it, in fact will go and buy it.  Can't say one way or another if they will or not though.  Xzibit did put in work for this album and he should be paid for his artistic work.

[IRAN iz Gangsta!]

Im convinced and im buying it, Albums are only $10 now days...not like 17 or 18  some years ago. 

I've always been a big supporter of Xzibit, i belive he can do way better than what he has put out in the past years.  HOpefully one day, he'll make a classic album.

[$Eg2$]

^^^ I feel ya homie I fuck wit xzibit but havent bought his music since the Restless, Man vs Machine dayz X is nice though no doubt

[Narrator]

The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right? 

Just cause YOU say it's quality?  Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not.  It's my green we're talkin bout here.

Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.

You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job.  You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping.  Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?

No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support.  Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).

I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it.  And I won't.

The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play.  If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed.  It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.

And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much?  I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.  I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now.  You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?

The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month.  He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.

[d-nice]

The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right? 

Just cause YOU say it's quality?  Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not.  It's my green we're talkin bout here.

Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.

You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job.  You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping.  Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?

No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support.  Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).

I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it.  And I won't.

The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play.  If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed.  It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.

And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much?  I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.  I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now.  You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?

The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month.  He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.

X did not always talk about thuggin mean muggin and crippin. He actually lost fans doing that because they knew that is not him. But I can see your point. Some artists are not worth the money to spend on them. And I am actually more critical of a artist now if they shit is weak and I paid money on them. But if the shit is dope I will shell out the money. Xzibit is one of those artists to me so I will do it. But yeah if you aint bringing the heat you either get the frisbee treatment or albumbase.com 

[djkoast]

Just cause YOU say it's quality?  Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not.  It's my green we're talkin bout here.

I said its not lackluster.  I never told you anything other then that.  See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music.  I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not.  We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.

No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support.  Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).

Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks?  I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you.  That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention.  More like a general statement.

And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much?  I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.  I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now.  You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?

The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month.  He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.

I never said it is going to change the game THAT much.  What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years.  People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.

You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics?  To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump.  I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track.  That is just based on songs I've heard.

Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit.  Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.

[youngmessnucca]

The album is not lackluster, so that means you are going to buy it right? 

Just cause YOU say it's quality?  Let ME be the judge of what's quality and what's not.  It's my green we're talkin bout here.

Pretty much all of your reasons are the same to me...only worth following if Xzibit has made something that's WORTH buying.

You guys can't say that the only albums you buy are classic ones or some quality artists may never make music again cuz they have to find a real job.  You can't only expect classic material, if it is above average then it should be worth copping.  Doods are spending 35 bucks on fitted hats but cant drop 9.99 on Xzibit?

No, but since I ain't got much paper to spend, I'm going to be quite selective about who gets my support.  Usually, that's artists that I'm a fan of (and I've never been big into Xzibit, tho I respect him), or new cats who I'm feeling from a couple of leaked tracks (like Lupe Fiasco this year).

I don't expect everything I buy to be classic, but if it doesn't stand out to me for some reason or another, and if I ain't feeling it, I don't have to buy it.  And I won't.

The only time changes are made in ANYTHING in this country is when the dollar comes into play.  If we want hip hop to change we have to use money spent on quality well thought out albums to sway what is being pushed.  It takes a little more then saying the album is cool on the Internet after you downloaded it.

And do you really think Xzibit's shit gon change the game THAT much?  I'll admit I ain't heard "Full Circle" yet, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen.  I'm sure his flow is still tight and his beats are decent, but at the end of the day, Xzibit's still just another cat rapping bout the same topics (thuggin, mean muggin, Crippin, etc.) that a million other West Coast rappers have already been rapping about for 20 years now.  You really think that's contributing anything worthwhile to hip-hop?

The change I want is for artists to be more creative and stop rapping so much about thug shit, which is why I supported Lupe Fiasco when his album dropped last month.  He's the kinda nigga that the mainstream needs more of.

i can guarentee you that he touches on a wide variety of topics on full circle.

[Narrator]

I said its not lackluster.  I never told you anything other then that.  See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music.  I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not.  We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.

Maybe not, but I can still be objective and put myself beyond taste when determining whether an album is quality or not.  There are a lot of artists who I think make quality music even though I don't listen to them much.

Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks?  I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you.  That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention.  More like a general statement.

I've heard what's been available on DubCC.  I'm sorry to say there's really nothing that got my attention.

I never said it is going to change the game THAT much.  What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years.  People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.

First of all, "Laugh Now, Cry Later" sure as hell hasn't had any impact on the game.  The only impact it had was on Cube's career cause it proved to his fans that he can still make dope music.  But it sure as hell ain't gonna change much for West Coast rap or hip-hop as a whole - after all, 90% of the people who bought the album are his fans who would've bought it had it dropped on a major or independently.  I think it's cool he made a good album and went Gold independently, but it says far more far about him than it does about the state of hip-hop.

Second, you missed my point.  My point is that the direction in which you say Xzibit's album MIGHT push the game is not the direction I have in mind.

You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics?  To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump.  I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track.  That is just based on songs I've heard.

And you're not biased?  You're obviously a fan.  I have nothing against X; I think he has a wicked flow and I liked "Restless" as much as anyone else on here.  It's just that I don't see this album as being any more worthy of my attention than his last two, which I didn't like.

Those are topics plenty of other rappers have rapped about, and unless he does them exceptionally well with exceptional production, I don't see why I should give a fuck.  At the end of the day, "Full Circle" is still a West Coast hardcore/gangsta album, is it not?  I don't need to have heard it to know he ain't on no Ras Kass or Murs-type shit.

Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit.  Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.

Xzibit and Cube do not meet the qualifications for artists who I want to see talking about "different things"...cause both of them are West Coast thugs who rap about the thug-life in the West.  On the other hand, I been a fan of Cube for a while cause I dig his style, whereas X just doesn't appeal to me as much.

[Lunatic]

I will probably end up buying it, just not right now. I am a big X fan, but for some reason I was 10x more excited for Man Vs. Machine & W.O.M.D. (2 albums that i would rank in his top 3, behind 40 dayz and 40 nightz). Maybe, this is because the songs that have leaked have been average at best. And that is half the album, the other half is to be near flawless 4 me 2 like it as much as the 1s I previously mentioned. And that is not 2 say, I won't buy the cd, just the mindset I have going in to it. I wish him the best, and I hope it does good sales wise, because I agree that hip-hop would be in a much better state if we had more brave souls like Cube & X, and dropped on an independent label.

[Nutty]

I downloaded it yesterday...


it's okay.... I don't know if I wanna get it... I only spend my hard earned money if it's filled with good tracks


that's why I've only bought like 30 CD's in my life

True, true

[djkoast]

I said its not lackluster.  I never told you anything other then that.  See I can't tell you its quality cuz we don't have the same taste in music.  I can tell you if an album is lackluster or not.  We dont need to have the same taste in music for me to say the album is not poor.

Maybe not, but I can still be objective and put myself beyond taste when determining whether an album is quality or not.  There are a lot of artists who I think make quality music even though I don't listen to them much.

Have you listened to the leaked xzibit tracks?  I understand you are not a millionaire but I highly doubt 10 bucks is going to set you back if the album is above average to you.  That line wasn't even fully directed at you, so if you took it that way, not my intention.  More like a general statement.

I've heard what's been available on DubCC.  I'm sorry to say there's really nothing that got my attention.

I never said it is going to change the game THAT much.  What I did say is that it will help push things in another direction, much like you will see what Cube's album has impacted the game in the next few years.  People didn't think Cube was going to do much and his album and what he did on the independent tip was the biggest POWER move of this year.

First of all, "Laugh Now, Cry Later" sure as hell hasn't had any impact on the game.  The only impact it had was on Cube's career cause it proved to his fans that he can still make dope music.  But it sure as hell ain't gonna change much for West Coast rap or hip-hop as a whole - after all, 90% of the people who bought the album are his fans who would've bought it had it dropped on a major or independently.  I think it's cool he made a good album and went Gold independently, but it says far more far about him than it does about the state of hip-hop.

Second, you missed my point.  My point is that the direction in which you say Xzibit's album MIGHT push the game is not the direction I have in mind.

You haven't heard the album and are saying hes rapping about the same topics?  To me it sounds like you dont like him and are bias from the jump.  I can tell you he has a track speaking about getting bottle smacked and black/brown relations in LA, he has a track that is a dedication to the fans that support him, he has a track on there about women hurting men when it comes to love, and he has a party shake your ass drink bacardi type club track.  That is just based on songs I've heard.

And you're not biased?  You're obviously a fan.  I have nothing against X; I think he has a wicked flow and I liked "Restless" as much as anyone else on here.  It's just that I don't see this album as being any more worthy of my attention than his last two, which I didn't like.

Those are topics plenty of other rappers have rapped about, and unless he does them exceptionally well with exceptional production, I don't see why I should give a fuck.  At the end of the day, "Full Circle" is still a West Coast hardcore/gangsta album, is it not?  I don't need to have heard it to know he ain't on no Ras Kass or Murs-type shit.

Like I said, if you dont want all rappers to talk about the same things then put your money behind artists that don't only talk about those things...like Lupe, Cube, and Xzibit.  Saying the album is cool on DUBCNN is not going to help push things in another direction, putting the consumer dollar behind those products will.

Xzibit and Cube do not meet the qualifications for artists who I want to see talking about "different things"...cause both of them are West Coast thugs who rap about the thug-life in the West.  On the other hand, I been a fan of Cube for a while cause I dig his style, whereas X just doesn't appeal to me as much.

Um actually Cube's album had a major impact on hip hop.  To the point where Forbes magazine had a huge write up on him and his latest album.  I don't think you are looking at the big picture.  This is showing hip hoppers that they can go independent and still move units/make alot of cash.  Alot of people have been going independent but not any of them have hit gold in this day and age.  For a time when no one is selling period, to see a guy on an independent go gold is crazy. 

Ice Cube does more then just talk about westcoast thug life shit...did you listen to his album at all?  Xzibit's new album has a number of issues he speaks on that dont fall under the thug life in the west title you gave him.

[Brown Guy]

Just downloaded it. When this shit come out? Ive always like X so im pretty sure imma buy it reguardless