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Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
virtuoso:
If he is a scu,bag policitian then god only knows what that makes those politicians and elites who are trying to push us to the brink of world war 3. Also no one can of course predict the future but lets not forget this is a man who encourages people to know their constitution Bush has been cited as referring to the american constitution as a peace of paper. Before Chavez came to power there was no private owned television channel he welcomes oppoisition to himself so for now at least they are enjoying more freedom, sure at the end of it he may be doing it for personal gain, for his ego or whatever else but utlimately the venezeulan people are better off under him than a puppet regime, they would know since they have been subjected to that bullshit many times before. Also how can you describe Chavez' outbursts as pathetic the CIA have launched failed coups against him, influential figures have appeared on american television talking about assasinating this man, yeah I am not surprised he is pissed lol.
Ant:
--- Quote from: J Bananas on November 28, 2006, 07:00:26 AM ---he's another scumbag politician, not a hero
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well said.
Ant:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on November 28, 2006, 09:45:38 AM ---
If he is a scu,bag policitian then god only knows what that makes those politicians and elites who are trying to push us to the brink of world war 3. Also no one can of course predict the future but lets not forget this is a man who encourages people to know their constitution Bush has been cited as referring to the american constitution as a peace of paper. Before Chavez came to power there was no private owned television channel he welcomes oppoisition to himself so for now at least they are enjoying more freedom, sure at the end of it he may be doing it for personal gain, for his ego or whatever else but utlimately the venezeulan people are better off under him than a puppet regime, they would know since they have been subjected to that bullshit many times before. Also how can you describe Chavez' outbursts as pathetic the CIA have launched failed coups against him, influential figures have appeared on american television talking about assasinating this man, yeah I am not surprised he is pissed lol.
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This is your problem. If its a liberal idea you look for all the positives. A conservative one you look for all the negatives.
If Chavez supported Bush you'd cite all the nonsense he's doing to show why we should hate him. Since he's a "socialist" you only look for the good.
You don't evaluate things consistently. Chavez politics very much resembles Bush's. Where Bush exploits 9/11 to gain votes. Chavez exploits Bush.
I used to think positively of Chavez until I went to Venezuela and heard many common sense explanations from the citizens of Venezuela about why he sucks. And how he is manipulative of the poor to win votes. Just like Bush manipulates the evangelicals.
He's just another dickhead politician. Not some savior. If you want to respect some of his socialist inclinations so be it, but you're a fool if you think him a hero.
virtuoso:
Again you are deliberately distorting what I am saying I clarified my views on him as you very well know, I do not see him as a hero and I have simply pointed out the good things he has done, sure socialism has his it's own trappings and time will tell what happens but the people right now are better off with him than a military dictatorship that is a fact. Your point is bizarre, of course I am going to agree with him being against Bush I have lost count of the number of acts of pure criminality which the administration has blatantly carried out. See this is what you do you will continue on this path of you leftists supporting Chavez because it's not american. I don't have a problem with that, some of your points are valid but yet when Palosi who had been on record many times before, promising to impeach Bush yet she then turns out full circle and reveals what a lying bitch she really is by saying no impeachment and then in tandem they all say no impeachment. Yet that does not matter to you
Also you are deliberately insulting my intelligence most of what the neocons stand for has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with traditional conservative values, so for you to imply that I am against conservative polcies is factually incorrect. Traditional conservative values include, small government, not wide open borders, upholding the constitution, nationalism not globalism, non centralisation, power at a local level, soverignty not surrender to a union.... I agree with these they are common sense as far as I am concerned so for you imply I am against conservative policies is complete crap. In a previous post as you well know I responded to you when you asked so what is my ideology there is nothing contradictory about it.
Ant:
You have engaged in Chavez worship many times. Why do you keep coming to his defense?
Saying someone is better than the devil doesn't make them good. Big deal. By your logic we should support anything that is better than satan. I don't really care who Chavez is better than. I care about the hypocritical liberal worship of your average corrupt politician just because he bad-mouths bush.
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