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virtuoso:

No during the lengthy reply I sent you about Chavez and Venezeula I agreed and disagreed with you, as I just said socialism has it's own trappings. Also I do agree with something you had said before the government is a reflection of society, yes people have become used to a status quo and could never see past that so people have become apathetic, people don't read, people have become completely detached from politics which has allowed for the centralisation of power. Funnily enough if you agree with most traditional conservative values then you pretty much agree with my ideology, as there is nothing conservative about most people who are calling themselves conservative right now.

Ant:
I've come to realize there is no such thing as "traditional conservatism."  In fact my usage of the word is often misplaced - as is its usage by many others.  The reason is, conservatism has never been a well-defined ideology.  It's simply a desire to preserve the natural state of society. 

In fact the true difference between our ideology is that I prefer classical liberalism to modern liberalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Milton Friedman tried to explain this decades ago, but we're all too caught up in the conservative / liberal comparisons.  Both of these words are so poorly understood that their usage always leads to confusion.  Since we both mean different things when we say our interpret the same word. 

So I apologize for using the word conservative in this thread.  Instead of claiming you view all "conservative ideology" negatively it would have been more appropriate to say you value your own personal worldview excessively.  You don't criticize yourself enough frequently and often discount highly relevant opinion from opposing perspectives.

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That having been said your ideology is that of a modern liberal.  Not a traditional conservative (which is not a clearly define idea - traditional in regards to what era?).  Nor are you a classical liberal.

virtuoso:
This tags really are pointless it's like the conservative and labour party in the UK, only low and behold there is no difference between the 2 parties. I think you will find "liberals" embrace the idea of no sovereignty, of "im a world citizen" of no borders and I am the complete opposite so there is no way i am liberal, whatever that really means.

Ant:
Whatever you are your ideology is inconsistent and often wrong.

No one fits exactly into an ideology.  And I agree the usage of an ideology to describe a person is often inappropriate. 

Either way... I think you intentionally are distorting your stances to avoid criticism.   You keep shape shifting.  You say things that definitely align you with the extreme left.

Yet it's ironic that you want to label yourself "conservative," but you run away from the label "liberal."

But the issue is your ideology is inconsistent, whatever it is.  You hate bush but support a manipulative politician like chavez.  And you make excuses for liking him (i.e. he's better than the devil).  It seems ironic to me that you don't want to be associated with "the extreme left" or "modern liberalism" or "socialism" but you see people who adhere to those ideologies thru rose-colored glasses.  And see people who adhere to ideologies that could be labeled "classical liberal" "republican" or "libertarian" as being wholly wrong and/or evil. 

Perhaps the best label for you is "extreme left." The very far left democrats agree with you on almost everything.  They want Bush impeached at all costs.  They love Chavez.  They hate free trade.  They love unions and the minimum wage.  And they see conspiracies everywhere.  Isn't this how you feel?

BigG:

--- Quote ---He may sling pathetic insults at Bush and get hyped up over Castroism, its all publicity and image making, behind that he is a scumbag making some good moves. For that id rather congratulate, then hate.
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True.  To me hes someone wit a voice speaking for the voiceless.  Everybody saying how Bush is stupid and all that but nobodys In Power is really saying it except a couple poeple like Chavez.  For that i respect him.  Im not saying hes the greatest president or anything all im saying is that when he talks about Bush he is mostly right

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