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Chavez uses Bush to win re-election
virtuoso:
lol you have to keep reverting to labels huh "extreme left" no I do not move away from my ideology. In comparison to what is going on all over europe and america and for that matter Canada, Chavez is a welcome respite, you are the one who sees things with tunnel vision when it comes to anything to do with america. So I have shifted from an idealist to "extreme left" oooh how about a dangerous extremist .....or despite me supporting what I say by citing facts a "wacko" yeah lol you really are pathetic with your incessant need for labels.
AndrE16686:
What the fuck was the point of this thread Ant? Chavez is manipulative like Bush?
Well OK lets see,
Bush manipulates the electorate by preying on the people's fear of terrorist threats inorder to wage a pointless war.
Chavez manipulates his electorate by preying on his people's hatred of Bush and US imperialism, inorder to kick out US corporations that have been robbing Venezuela of it's oil and natural resources for decades.
The End.
virtuoso:
It's actually a very fruitful war YGZ
Ant:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on November 29, 2006, 01:31:53 AM ---lol you have to keep reverting to labels huh "extreme left" no I do not move away from my ideology. In comparison to what is going on all over europe and america and for that matter Canada, Chavez is a welcome respite, you are the one who sees things with tunnel vision when it comes to anything to do with america. So I have shifted from an idealist to "extreme left" oooh how about a dangerous extremist .....or despite me supporting what I say by citing facts a "wacko" yeah lol you really are pathetic with your incessant need for labels.
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You want to run away from labels. It's okay. Everybody does. We all want to be well-reasoned.
I'm against the inappropriate use of labels and/or words in general. We often use words like liberal, conservative, etc. incorrectly.
But you do relate best to a particular group (i.e. the extreme left of the democratic party). Of course you can easily deny this because you refuse to admit what ideologies you support. But its ironic that you were offended when I called you liberal, but insisted your worldview is conservative. Clearly your engaged in trickery. If that wasnt an attempt to trick me, than its an attempt to trick yourself. If labels do you enjoy calling your views conservative, but dislike being called liberal?
I'll be honest enough to admit I most respect the ideology of classical liberals and libertarians. I'll clearly state what I support.
But its obvious that you see certain perspectives thru rose-colored lenses. If you were so balanced then how come your ideas and facts come from such unbalanced sources? You draw your facts AND ideas almost exclusively from fringe groups.
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If you go far to the left of the democratic party.. those people relate best to you. There is nothing wrong with that. If you relate better to another group.. then please explain which it is. I just want to know what exactly you support... And if you don't ally with the far left then why do you cite far left sources almost exclusively?
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But you're right labels don't matter that much. What I find rude is your inconsistency. It's wrong for you to always cite sources and ideas that come from the far left then claim to be other things... like when you claim to be conservative.
You duck and dodge labels to confuse people as to your true ideology. Its much better to debate ideologies than naming conventions... but you don't want to state your ideology so I have to guess. And my best guess is your ideology is that of somebody from the extreme left. Or an extreme modern liberal.
You know the old saying... people judge you by the company you keep. It applies here. You cite extreme modern liberals all day. That's what I'll assume you are. I like classical liberalism and libertarianism, and I tend to cite people and ideas that reflect those inclinations.
virtuoso:
Lol this has to be some sort of a joke I am not offended at being called a liberal I just find the label stupid for reasons I have already mentioned. In fact I could spend a long time picking apart what you have just said but I am respinding briefly "left wing sources" ohh you mean depleted uranium (military doucments) you mean military commission act (the bill itself) perhaps you mean the surveillance state (the words of the politicians themselves) ohh perhaps you mean the elites hand in all of this (confessions of an IMF hitman) but he is only small fry so I will cite another sources Joseph Stiglits or Stiglitz I am not sure, if you don't know who he is then I suggest you find out. Furthermore there are waves of declassified doucments yet you still want to deny reality clasp your hands over your ears and call out "leftist" "wacko" oh and "conspiracy theorist" That is to name but a few examples as for me having no ideology clearly you are either lying or you did not read what I said in the last post for the the thread titled to all you democrats, so here it is again
It's simple I am against the type of blanket centralisation of power which is taking place, my first post never attacked you in fact in never attacked anyone personally. My idealogy is centred around the integirty of the constitution being upheld whether thats the british constitution the american constitution or whatever, i am against intrusive government, i am against open borders. i am against the sovereignty of a nation being diluted by a central unelected entity called the european union. I am against the blanket support which is afforded to israel, the funding of Israel, aid makes it's way quciker there then it has done to the victims of hurricane katrina. I am against these lying bastards concocting fabrication after fabrication which is then used to justify the mass murder of a nation. I am against the total brainwashing and emotional blackmail which is used against the people of the nation into supporting these horrific war's using the "support the troops" line to quell any oppositon.
I am against the media becoming more of a parrot for official policy than an independent body I can give you numerous examples of this. I am against political groups posing as opposition and bemoaning the power of the government when at the very same time they are supporting them in obtaining this power. I am against our countries being turned into literal prisons just without the bars, where in Britain these politicians most notably Tony Blair actually wants the entire nations DNA to be stored on a database, where kids have to give their thumb print to obtain a library book, where public services and medical services which are a necessity will be banned for those that refuse to have their fingerprints taken and have a national id card. I am against the fearmongering and mind control tactics which are being used to steer a populous into accepting that in order to protect them and give them security their inaliable rights must be taken from them. I am against this world being maneuvored into a one world government which utltimately means a dictatorship, the asian union, the north american union the european union that is the world government right there.
I am against the destruction and criminalisation of free speech it is an out in the open move to silence dissenters by introducing draconian laws to punish those who dare step outside of these realms. Furthermore it never seems to stop just wave after wave after wave of new laws it is very sinister. Yet if people would just open their ideas, stop being dosey and started reading and understanding what was going on around them they would be outraged but so many people have become so conditioned to it that everything passes under the radar.
Ultimately you are a fool for denying what I have said is taking place, there is no outcry from the democrats over the burning of your constitution because they are helping to engineer it. Perhaps you could legitimately say that the democrats are the lesser of 2 evils but for that we will have to see. For any of what I have said research into it, I am not being sensationalist it's all right there in the open whether it's from interviews, speeaches. There is nothing particularly covert about it anymore it's just people love to live in ignorance waving their flags when they haven't got a clue what the people who have sworn to act as the servants are really doing. I don't pretend to be the oracle of truth but i am on the ball enough to see through this thinsheet transparency. On the major issues the parties are the same, both agreeing with one another and that only spells very troubling times ahead.To be honest it's the same here between the conservatives and labour only people are a little more awake and have realised that it doesnt matter who comes into power between these 2 parties, these laws will not be repealed, the agenda will just carry on under a different party and different faces.
So stop with the tired crap about being not having an ideology oh but wait I can not think of a label because it probably does not fit snugly into a label. ::)
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