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an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: 7even on December 06, 2006, 11:53:02 AM ---Those Iraqis aren't brought up like you Infinite. They aren't like you. Just because they're muslims doesn't mean they have your reasoning. Matter of fact those Americans there are much more like you than those Iraqis, even if you'd never be happy with that, it is what it is.
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And you know about the Iraqi's how? By watching CNN?
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
first u say all iraqis who benefited from the govt should be uprooted, then you basically admit that shias have given their approval to this govt. Sadr, Sistani, Hakimi ALL support the govt. They may despise the occupation, but all of them ARE the govt. How are u going to uproot the Shia political institution?
Zarqawi called Shias Kuffar. Al Qaeda in Iraq is vehemently against the Shia. And the other Sunnis are too weak/marginalized to confront Al Qaeda and when they do, they do it with the tacit support of Americans.'
Sadr is at the very least turning a blind eye to the militias, that becames him complicit in their activities.
Heres the thing, the ONLY FORM OF CO OPERATION BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS OCCURS AT THE GOVT LEVEL WITH THE AMERICANS INVOLVED. THIS IS SAD BUT TRUE.
See, my thing is you dont have anything to offer, any concrete realistic practical solution. you expect the americans to leave tomorrow, and everyone is going to squash their beefs.
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Don't be a sell-out.
Look, Vietnam had a civil war of it's own. Ho Chi Min's followers fought against Vietnamese who were benefiting from America's occupation. After America left, things didn't get worse, they got better. So what you are proposing is that the Iraqi's are somehow less human and less civilized than the Vietanamese.
Ant:
--- Quote from: Real American on December 05, 2006, 03:36:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 04, 2006, 06:21:49 PM ---
The civil war was instigated by the good ol coalition because that is the perfect means of divide and rule they then pose as the saviours, as the people who need to stay to keep the sides apart. Meanwhile they keep exactly the same status quo in play as was witnessed under saddam hussein and plan to "partition" Iraq but it's all for the good of the people nothing to do with weakening the state. Lol these people have some nerve I will give them that very good at deceiving. The worse the situation becomes the better it is for the pentagon because it has made no secret of the fact that it wants to stimulate real terror http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/P2OG.pdf that is from the asian times in which the writer discusses P2OG a recently declassified document which discusses the need to stimulate real terror.
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You're an idiot. The U.S. has nothing to gain and everything to lose from the chaos in Iraq. We are losing soliders and billions of dollars everyday. A lot of politicians have already lost their jobs because voters are pissed off. So why would they want all the violence...to divide and conquer???
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I agree with Real American for once. At least in this regard. How can you seriously be that caught up in this conspiracy theory nonsense to think there is some group pulling strings to incite violence in Iraq.
GWB would have loved to see Iraq go well. Unlike Cwalker I'm not an apologist for America. He wants to blame the Iraqis, but you blame the party that instigates that action - not the party the action was taken against. If we're such an amazing country, we should have known better, but we didn't. Blaming Iraq is like a parent blaming their 3 yr old for not knowing how to behave properly yet.
But either way... virtuoso, people like you depress me. It's sad to see people deform their mental state so horribly. Get off the nonsense. And stop lurking around these conspiracy nut web sites. That's what's fuckin wit ur head... just like freerepublic.com be fuckin wit Real American.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Ant on December 06, 2006, 09:55:51 PM ---I agree with Real American for once. At least in this regard. How can you seriously be that caught up in this conspiracy theory nonsense to think there is some group pulling strings to incite violence in Iraq.
GWB would have loved to see Iraq go well. Unlike Cwalker I'm not an apologist for America. He wants to blame the Iraqis, but you blame the party that instigates that action - not the party the action was taken against. If we're such an amazing country, we should have known better, but we didn't. Blaming Iraq is like a parent blaming their 3 yr old for not knowing how to behave properly yet.
But either way... virtuoso, people like you depress me. It's sad to see people deform their mental state so horribly. Get off the nonsense. And stop lurking around these conspiracy nut web sites. That's what's fuckin wit ur head... just like freerepublic.com be fuckin wit Real American.
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Ant, so are you saying that Bush just cared so much about the Iraqi people and loved them so much, and he thought that Sadaam Hussien was a bad man, and he wanted to help the poor Iraqi people, and all Bush wanted to do was just remove Sadaam from power and put in a great democratic government right away and then leave; all to help Iraq become a great, thriving nation that would one day compete with Isreal?
You really believe all that? I know you don't believe that. Look, none of the architects of this war wanted Iraq to be a success. They wanted to weaken them permanently and usurp their resources for as long as possible. That's the truth, but believe what you want. I expected it from the Republicans, but I never would of thought Tech would do it.
Listen, this stuff was all planned well in advance. You think these people don't plan these things?
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Hajj Abdul-Infinite...BANNED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH! on December 06, 2006, 09:42:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on December 06, 2006, 09:45:48 AM ---
first u say all iraqis who benefited from the govt should be uprooted, then you basically admit that shias have given their approval to this govt. Sadr, Sistani, Hakimi ALL support the govt. They may despise the occupation, but all of them ARE the govt. How are u going to uproot the Shia political institution?
Zarqawi called Shias Kuffar. Al Qaeda in Iraq is vehemently against the Shia. And the other Sunnis are too weak/marginalized to confront Al Qaeda and when they do, they do it with the tacit support of Americans.'
Sadr is at the very least turning a blind eye to the militias, that becames him complicit in their activities.
Heres the thing, the ONLY FORM OF CO OPERATION BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS OCCURS AT THE GOVT LEVEL WITH THE AMERICANS INVOLVED. THIS IS SAD BUT TRUE.
See, my thing is you dont have anything to offer, any concrete realistic practical solution. you expect the americans to leave tomorrow, and everyone is going to squash their beefs.
--- End quote ---
Don't be a sell-out.
Look, Vietnam had a civil war of it's own. Ho Chi Min's followers fought against Vietnamese who were benefiting from America's occupation. After America left, things didn't get worse, they got better. So what you are proposing is that the Iraqi's are somehow less human and less civilized than the Vietanamese.
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there is no comparison between the nature of the civil war in vietnam and the civil war in iraq. stop making generalized statements. all youre offering is broad comparisons and vague unpractical answers. politics is a dirty game, and this is a dirty world. youre discussing politics through hope and ideology, instead of reason and logic.
i never said iraq should be turned over to the americans. what does the title of the thread say? "an immediate pull out of american troops will be disastrous" and it would be, i dont know how u cant see that. the conditions is not right for a withdrawal.
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