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Question for all Muslims!
sonofisis:
Ok, from my understanding Muslim people don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.. They continuously deny his crucifixion and claim that he was of the flesh, a mere mortal and nothing more than a prophet.. Yet, at the same time Muslims do admit that Christ was born of immaculate conception and came str8 from the father. It took me a while to find a contradiction in Islam but I did with out even having to pick up a Koran! It is so blatant and obvious. This is my question to all Muslims and those who have some knowledge of the Koranic and Biblical scripture.
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam? And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say? Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father? If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father? It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
Mo Z. Dizzle:
from my understanding, we believe it to be a miracle just as there has been many different miracles
another point which one speaker brought up was that Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God since he had no father; but they do not believe Adam is the brother of God who had no father OR mother
anyways, my best suggestion would be to check a site like http://www.al-islam.org out; it has a section about the difference in the beliefs and the reasoning
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say?
Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father?
If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father?
It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
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In your argument you're already implying that Christ's birth was an immaculate one, a miracle so to say, which is what Muslims believe. Now stop and think for a second... why else would it be referred to as a miracle birth, if not for the reason that he was born to a virgin. The miracle is: he had no father.
By what you're saying, the simple fact that Jesus is even believed to have been born to a virgin can be considered illogical, so why would you acknowledge that but then consider the fact that people don't asrcibe a father to him as illogical.
By what you're saying... Adam = the son of God as well... except in this case God is both his mother and father.
Also, how do you explain Jesus being both the son of God and then at the same time, he is God.
sonofisis:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on December 19, 2006, 09:54:45 PM ---
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---And how can Christ not be the Son Of God if he had no earthly father? Who's son was he then? I don't understand the Islamic teachings, what are they trying to say?
Wouldn't it be more logical to just accept that Christ was the Son Of God then to assume that he just didn't have a father?
If you believe that the Holy Spirit fertilized Mary's seed, wouldn't that make God his literal father?
It would of made more sense if Muslims simply denied Jesus' immaculate birth, then you might have a flawless religion on your hands. But in this aspect everything falls apart because this is the basis of Islam that sets it apart from Christianity.
--- End quote ---
In your argument you're already implying that Christ's birth was an immaculate one, a miracle so to say, which is what Muslims believe. Now stop and think for a second... why else would it be referred to as a miracle birth, if not for the reason that he was born to a virgin. The miracle is: he had no father.
By what you're saying, the simple fact that Jesus is even believed to have been born to a virgin can be considered illogical, so why would you acknowledge that but then consider the fact that people don't asrcibe a father to him as illogical.
By what you're saying... Adam = the son of God as well... except in this case God is both his mother and father.
Also, how do you explain Jesus being both the son of God and then at the same time, he is God.
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Completely different. What I am claiming as illogical is the belief that men don't accept Jesus as God's son when he obviously avoided Sin from Adam's curse.. Nothing God himself does is illogical for he is the creator..The Adam is God's son argument doesn't work, because he was made from the earth(an earthly creature) and according to scripture Adam and Eve actually were perfect, with out blemish, yet God gave them free will and after they ate the forbidden fruit, of course they were subjected to sin and forsaken by God. Plus, no one claims Adam to be the Messiah, he had no purpose other than to live his life freely.. Muslims also agree that Jesus was the Messiah, he was in the prophecy. How do you believe this and not accept that he was the true Son, the one with out Sin, sent here as a gift to man kind? Again, that is still illogical.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: sonofisis on December 19, 2006, 09:30:19 PM ---
Man was born into Sin because of the deeds of our ancestors Adam and Eve correct? For this reason we are all cursed with Sin and have to either over come it through belief in Christ(the Christian way) or through submission to Allah's will(the Islamic way) correct? So if you believe this, can you agree that Christ wasn't of Sin since he was not of Adam?
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youre making an incorrect assumption. muslims dont believe man was born of sin. we believe man is born pure and clean. there fore your entire post is baseless
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